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Wiredfire@nixCraft a decade back I worked on Macs. First one I used was the criminally abysmal white macbook. That was a SHAMEFUL piece of hardware. When I got bumped to a pro I stopped detesting macOS lol
Had a personal Mac for a while in the same era, but got fed up when it went the same way as Windows machines, needing semi-annual OS reinstalls to stop it slowing down so moved away from Mac entirely.
Current job has me using them now & then, macOS feels very obstructive to the casual observer now.
8A73SH@nixCraft I‘ve started using it for the first time when "iMac M1" released back in 2021.
I like it‘s stability and polished UI. But for certain usecases APPS are very few & in some cases there is only one app for particular purpose. More than that it is a closed ecosystem meaning it doesn't work well with other OS‘s. Ex : if I have to transfer a large file to Linux / windows it is a Pain. #AppleSilicon #AppleisEvil #NecessaryEvil
I like it‘s stability and polished UI. But for certain usecases APPS are very few & in some cases there is only one app for particular purpose. More than that it is a closed ecosystem meaning it doesn't work well with other OS‘s. Ex : if I have to transfer a large file to Linux / windows it is a Pain. #AppleSilicon #AppleisEvil #NecessaryEvil
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StenPett / St Midium@nixCraft My computer lab in middle school had Apple IIe's (yes, I'm that old), and I had a MacBook from 2008 to 2012. Apart from that, I don't use any Apple products. Too closed for my liking.
That said, I would like an M1 MacBook to run Asahi Linux on...
XtoF@nixCraft I think you meant 41 years ago 😉
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Timothy R. Butler@nixCraft For the last 21 years! (Linux for a few more years than that...)
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AvocaYou can... all my computer's are Mac's.
None run MacOS in any way, all Linux and FOSS.
@avoca @nixCraft How is the install and user experience? Is there something which doesn't work right like brightness controlls, standby, power management etc? I'm asking because I heard and read mixed results online. Also if someone claims it just works I am not sure how many tinkering it may have had required to get there. As long as I can just grep a distro, install it the usual way and it works (preferably without adding/compiling out-of-tree drivers) I'm all in.
Your best out-of-the-box option is Linux Mint, at least for the pre-Apple Silicon Macs.
LM has pretty well all you will need for a daily driver based entirely on FOSS. In addition, there is a large list of other 'packages'(apps) that are not available for MacOS.
You can run a 'live' install from a USB stick to try it before you fully install it also.
I'm happy to point you in the right direction, at least to get you started, if you like.
However, if you are heavily invested in the Apple eco-system(cloud, phones, pads, earbuds,watches) and like iMessage you will have to seriously consider making a complete switch. The same consideration needs to be given to graphics heavy workloads, like video and audio production.
These are difficult to replicate outside Apple, and not just with Linux.
Given that Linux will run on a postage stamp, you might also consider picking-up a cheap laptop and having a play with that for a while.
That's one of the beauties of Linux, 100's and 100's of options.
All good fun at the end of the day.
Greem (Graeme. Not Graham!)
Phil Haigh@nixCraft Mac only since 2008! Owned several laptops, 32 and 64 bit Mac Minis, and a Mac Studio.
Edan Osborne 🇺🇦🇵🇸♾️@nixCraft I have an old MacBook from 2007 that gets occasional use, as it's the only device that works with my dad's scanner. However, in my opinion, Apple stopped being the right choice for me when Steve Jobs died.
Don't get me wrong, I don't like Steve Jobs either, but something changed when Tim took over...
ianjsFeels like that to me too.
I had a MacBook Pro for decades.
Unix underneath: massive tick.
Thoughtful UX: big tick.
Beautiful hardware: big tick.
Smooth integration with my phone and iPad: big tick.
All gradually eroded correlating with Jobs' departure and Cook's arrival:
Price gouging: nah.
Hardware lockdown: nah.
Can't upgrade: nah.
Unrepairabilty: nah.
Stale innovation: nah.
Obsessing over AI: gimme a break.
Most of the positives still apply, but the cost benefit is gone. Android and Linux are very comfortable and flexible nowadays.
mcpkdot@nixCraft Asahi linux is really good
🇺🇸 🇺🇦 🇮🇱 🐧 🥦@nixCraft Nope. Every few years I consider it, go to the Apple site, get price shock, and decide not to.
Graham@nixCraft I’m literally a life-long Mac user. 😅
Sure do, 2015 15" MacBook Pro, 2011 13" MacBook Pro and 2010 dual Xeon 5650 Mac Pro 5,1 all with Linux Mint(currently).
Awesome hardware quality, acceptable Intel performance.
Carlos SolísMy sister's husband does, for some reason. He has the exact opposite stack of technologies that I do - Mac, iPhone, and Xbox vs. my Linux, Android, and PlayStation.