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"We will rebuild" is repeated a lot after climate disasters nowadays. Sadly, i don't think you can "rebuild it back like it was" and expect different results and a repeat nowadays.

Personally, I think the Japanese have the right idea with "Tsunami Stones"

Smithsonian: These Century-Old Stone “Tsunami Stones” Dot Japan’s Coastline

“Remember the calamity of the great tsunamis. Do not build any homes below this point.”

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/century-old-warnings-against-tsunamis-dot-japans-coastline-180956448/

These Century-Old Stone "Tsunami Stones" Dot Japan’s Coastline

"Remember the calamity of the great tsunamis. Do not build any homes below this point."

Smithsonian Magazine
A couple of ruins in the canyons around here. The bathtub is not far from the Palisades Fire. The Chimney is in my town. All here destroyed by wildfires in the past. (note: bananas are good firebreaks, those are the original bananas from that house, they survived the wildfire that burnt down this house).
@ai6yr if we make the homes out of banana trees...
@Finitum @ai6yr
That could be fruitful 🤔
@godzero @Finitum @ai6yr "There's always money in the banana stand."
@ai6yr guy on NPR was saying building back with steel frames + hempcrete where wood would have been used would go a long way. Even something as simple as OHagin vents are a vast improvement vs the old spinner turbines.
@ai6yr
Building houses out of sticks, plywood, and cardboard was never a good idea.

@godzero

Sadly the more fireproof construction techniques tend to not do so well in earthquakes, and LA gets a few of them.

@ai6yr

@zl2tod @ai6yr
I'm sure there are engineering solutions.

@godzero

In events like this the fire on the wind is like a blowtorch directed at the structures, which sets fire to everything in and of the building at the same time, so even if the house is resistant everything inside will burn anyway.

Australia is interesting, their eucalypts can generate enough volatiles to make the air flammable, and I think I've seen some of that in LA.

The media storm around the question does smell a little of Big Oil propaganda.

@ai6yr

@zl2tod @godzero @ai6yr

As an Australian, seeing eucalypts growing in dry parts of Spain & Portugal is both puzzling & worrying. Their native flora won’t thank them if those trees explode into flame during wildfires.

@godzero @zl2tod @ai6yr Engineering a fireproof house, can be done. But it also has to look pretty. And be affordable. But not /too/ affordable, because then you will get local government opposition - people don't want the lower socioeconomic classes moving in to their neighbourhood. The problem is people.

The same is true of energy use. You can make efficient homes, but people love their huge expanse of sun-facing glass, and mitigating the heat through heavy air conditioning.

@zl2tod @godzero @ai6yr Earthbag houses are supposed to be both fire and quake resistant.
@zl2tod @godzero @ai6yr
Those three Little Pigs fucked around and found out.
@zl2tod @godzero @ai6yr There are a lot of earthquakes in my country and we build very safe concrete structures that resist fire. We have a seismic code for construction guidance in Costa Rica.
@ai6yr
Yesterday I stumbled upon a long thread of Californians hoping the homes of the rich that blocked the view of the ocean will not be rebuilt.
@ai6yr
time to drag this out again I guess...

@ai6yr
Collective memory or learning from the mistakes of the past just isn’t a thing most in the species do.
Otherwise we wouldn’t be talking about ending things like the polio vaccine.

If you were a kid in the 70’s environmentalism was a thing. We had Woodsy Owl and Captain Planet and all sorts a people talking about climate doom; while the adults ridiculed Carters sweaters and solar panels.

There was a huge “oil crisis” then. Remember odd and even gas days? If we’d listened to, instead of laughed at, Carter we could be leading the world in alt-fuels.

I’ve about given up on the human race because it just seems to be too self centered and stupid to not annihilate itself.

@ai6yr too much thinking...
you know who *does* seem to learn the lessons of the past? People who want to exploit other people for fun and profit.

People keep pointing to German history and current USian happenings and drawing parallels.

🤷‍♀️

@ai6yr I have some relatives-in-law who lost their home in Altadena and are determined to rebuild, which I can both entirely understand as a desire and also I think is just... not a good idea. I feel so conflicted hearing people say "well we'll just do it again, but build it better". Like, is that really a sustainable path forward here?

@dante @ai6yr

Well, we KNOW how to build fire resistant housing, we just don't do it. We know how to create fire resistant landscaping, we just don't do it... etc...

@darwinwoodka I know our boiler is over 15 years old and we both want to replace it with an air source heat pump. Doesn't make money or contractors get back to us. @dante @ai6yr
@ai6yr Personally I’d like to see us put a strip of farmland between towns and hillsides when feasible. The 2 fires in Camarillo in the last 3 years seemed to abruptly stop when they ran into farmland between saticoy and Camarillo. Strawberries don’t burn nearly as well.
@SteveInVentura Definitely. Also, avocado groves are notorious for stopping fires, because avocado trees are basically giant bundles of water.
@ai6yr Like European "hunger stones", marking low water levels! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_stone
Hunger stone - Wikipedia

@ai6yr I know it would be super unpopular/never happen (and that we have a housing shortage but that’s an entirely different matter), but I was thinking California should really pass a law banning rebuilding any housing that was destroyed by wildfires. They could make it an alternative scheme to fire insurance. So homeowners pay into it and if their house burns down they’ll get the money to buy a home elsewhere but they can’t rebuild.
@ai6yr even as attached as people are, some places should not be rebuilt.
@ai6yr In the end it may hinge on whether insurance companies are willing to insure new buildings in that area.
@ai6yr I’m struck by this observation “It takes about three generations for people to forget”
@Nak @ai6yr Feels about right. I have managed to transfer to my kids nothing of the frugality that my grandparents had from living through the Great Depression.
@AnneMacro @ai6yr my partner did a decent job of that with our boys it seems to have stuck better with one of them though

@ai6yr

Maybe put them up in the WUI over houses that have burned down

@ai6yr I'm developing a similar marker for parts of my career.

@wcbdata

Embedded in my software code

#### DO NOT IMPLEMENT THIS LIKE THE CODE BELOW, WHICH WORKS BUT NOT WELL. WE NEED TO REWRITE THIS AT SOME POINT

@ai6yr @wcbdata Early in my career I ran across this comment deep in the bowels of some operating system code:

;;; Don’t read this code, you’ll barf.

@ai6yr @wcbdata I remember a comment in a driver I suspect the author had fixed one time too many "Do not mess with this code unless you really know what you're doing. Here there be dragons."
@ai6yr Rebuilding underground is the way forward.

@ai6yr I think any homes need to be built to better withstand fire. Thick concrete isn't sexy, but more practical, as well as stone, and to a lesser extent, brick.

In Palm Coast, FL, it took my BIL three years to get his home built, to required specs that mean it can withstand most hurricanes.

Fire is much harder to build against, but I remember one house that had thick cement walls that survived some years back, while none of the other wood frame homes made it.

@ai6yr
There are some uninformed comments in this thread.
1. Building codes are minimums to allow escape from the building during earthquake or fire.
2. Building Codes are not retroactive. If you buy a home built prior to current codes, your house probably does not meet the new code.
3. There are residential building systems that are both fire resistant and earthquake resistant. If you want fireproof and earthquake proof, you will need to pay for that.
4. I am a licensed CA Architect since 1983.
@mizblueprint Thanks for chiming in!
@ai6yr
I wish I could help more. Clients usually gag when they realize how much something will cost. 30 years ago I was on a county planning commission that implemented additional building standards for rural homes for access, egress, water storage, closed soffits, class A roofs, non-combustible siding, defensible space, etc. Local governments can implement more stringent standards. As an elected, I pushed for adoption of a Green Building Code for our City, years before the state code revision.
@mizblueprint Awesome that you were able to get that building code in place. It pains me, having only very recently gotten involved with some of this, HOW LONG it takes for things to happen in regulations and codes. (and how much the competing interest stymie any change)
@mizblueprint @ai6yr I think Flagstaff, AZ did this a while ago. I remember a big push to retrofit older homes with some features as well - wire mesh so embers did not get sucked into vents, changing to metal roofs, hardie board siding, & concrete or trex decks, making sure wood fences didn't touch houses, removing trees. I think newer construction/developments all have to meet firewise guidelines.
@mizblueprint @ai6yr Honestly, I think Flagstaff is probably one of the better-prepared places. They thin forests, they close the forests when fire danger is high, they have the flood maps ready right after fires, they start trying to mitigate the mudslides & the flooding as soon as possible. They've had a lot of bad fires & flooding occur, so they know what to do before & after. Not perfect, but definitely prepared.

@mizblueprint @ai6yr Appreciated.

Just want to note that fire+earthquake resistant/proof building/retrofit is out of the cost range of most people. Hence, trade offs.

@c_merriweather @ai6yr
Very true. It pains me to see folks spend large amounts of money on cosmetic "improvements", but not do seismic retrofitting. Fortunately, CA requires Unreinforced Masonry buildings (URMs) to be retrofitted. There has not been a statewide push for fire resistance retrofitting, landscaping, water storage, and egress.
@ai6yr if you avoid all the areas which may be subject to disasters, such as fires, sea-level rise, drought, earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, excessive snowfall, how much would be left?
@ghouston (assuming you steer around the hurricanes)
@ghouston @ai6yr we bought above the flood line, close enough to the coast for consistent rainfall, far enough from the forest to avoid high fire risk, all those considerations (not trying to escape the risks, just standard farm planning).
A few months ago we were hit with hail bigger than golf balls, every building in town lost its roof and windows.
@coolandnormal @ai6yr I live somewhere similar, 120m above sea level near the coast in a temperate climate, not far from a town centre. Ironically, it's a cheap area which hasn't been gentrified. Haven't been hit by giant hail, so far.
@ai6yr @ghouston we're 300km from the nearest major city, so most of us still have boarded up windows.

@ai6yr @ghouston it's also a very small place. We have two EMTs for the whole region, one journalist, one funeral person who deals with all death care, two cops.

When I say anarchy broke out, I mean it. After the storm the social order completely fell apart and so did the roles of individuals.

People took on the roles in front of them. I personally moonlighted as EMT twice, an ambulance once, a makeshift pet shelter, an emergency wildlife vet more times than I could possibly count, taxied around people I had never met while eating food given to me by strangers cooking on the street.

Pretty much all doors and gates were open. People removed stuff from damaged properties in informal volunteer treams. It was common to see a group of random people taking stuff out of someone else's house. It literally never occurred to me once this could be looting.

I cannot stress enough that pretty much everyone in town has access to a rifle. I didn't see one or hear about one being anywhere other than a in safe through the whole ordeal.

The town still isn't the same months later. The infrastructure is still damaged but the anarchy hasn't quite gone either. The old social order and roles haven't managed to re-establish the control they previously had.

@coolandnormal @ai6yr @ghouston very interesting. Thanks for sharing and best wishes for you and your community!
@ai6yr malibu should be turned into what it should have been all along. A park for all not private beaches for the rich. Never gonna happen.
@ai6yr @joncounts That translation has strong "This place is not a place of honour" vibes.

@ai6yr I think the Comment by Fumihiko Imamura is a bit of overly wishful thinking (more so in most western cultures these days)

""It takes about three generations for people to forget. Those that experience the disaster themselves pass it to their children and their grandchildren, but then the memory fades," Fumihiko Imamura, a professor in disaster planning at Tohoku University, told the AP."

I would bet its more at 1 generation if you are lucky!