These two things have little to do with each other. If you love art you’ll find and/or make real art. #art #capitalism

@ChuckCheesman

""Real artists, musicians, and writers aren't valued in society. Arts, music, and literature programs are cut from our schools unless you live in a wealthy school district"."

Don't these two sentences seem at least a little contradictory to you? If wealthy people pay for such programs for their kids...surely they value them.

@AlexanderKingsbury Where money isn’t an issue, where there is excess money in society, society will happily pay for these things and more. The larger institution of public schools where government continues to slash and burn down arts, music, and literature is the issue. Also, in the mainstream marketplace artists aren’t valued as they once were. This banana/duct tape sale is a symptom of horrible economic inequity, not an example of art with universal value.

@ChuckCheesman

My point is simply that the very fact that people can and do pay for these things is pretty strong evidence that they are valuable. People rarely voluntarily buy that which they do not value.

"Also, in the mainstream marketplace artists aren’t valued as they once were."

As measured how?

@AlexanderKingsbury When you have excess money, “investing” in something comes at a lower cost. A dollar is of little value to someone who has an excess of dollars. The banana sale is a perfect example of that. We could get into a whole existential argument about what art is or isn’t. I don’t have time or interest in doing that here.

@ChuckCheesman

Actually, a dollar has the same value regardless of how many of them you have; they are worth one dollar. And if they have any value at all, the very fact that someone spends a bunch of them on something proves that they value that thing.

I'm not asking you to define what art is. I'm asking how you come to the conclusion that artists aren't valued as much as they used to be.

@AlexanderKingsbury No. A dollar doesn’t have the same value to a person who has excess dollars compared to someone who is struggling to save dollars. This is easily demonstrated by the behavior of the two people in regards to their dollars. It’s a very simple concept.

@ChuckCheesman

It's also a very simple concept that 1 dollar has a value of 1 dollar. The issue here is that "value" has multiple meanings. Economically, value is usually measured in units of money.

@AlexanderKingsbury You are missing the point. A dollar only has value because people assign it value. A rich person does not place the same value on a one dollar bill as a poor person. It is easily demonstrated. We just watched a man buy a duct taped banana for 6 million dollars. A poor person might pay the going rate for a banana… maybe.

@ChuckCheesman

That does not demonstrate that they value a dollar differently. It demonstrates that they do not have command of the same number of dollars.

@AlexanderKingsbury It’s been a good conversation. Be well. I now need to go do the things I am supposed to do in my life outside of this. Time also has value. Cheers,
@AlexanderKingsbury A dollar is not a constant. Its value differs depending on when and where and even who. People assign money its value. The published data is just a single summary of a point in time. We all know that flooding the market with cash devalues the dollar overall. It is easy to see that a person flush with cash will also place less value on a dollar than someone who has a shortage of cash. I think you need to think deeper about how commerce actually works. Cheers,

@ChuckCheesman

It's true that the buying power of the dollar changes over time; that is not the same as saying that it's value is different for different people. To a poor man, a dollar is worth one dollar. To a rich man, that same dollar is worth...one dollar.

@AlexanderKingsbury In the mainstream, at least in the USA, it is far more difficult to make a middle class living in the arts than it used to be. I’m in the arts and have been at it for 30+ years. I’m surrounded by musicians, artist, and writers and I know what they’ve gone through. As with any argument, there are exceptions.

@ChuckCheesman

So your evidence is mostly anecdotal? To be clear, there's nothing necessarily wrong with that, I'm just making sure I understand your claims and the basis behind them.

@AlexanderKingsbury I this case, yes anecdotal. I’m a musician, music teacher, and former public school teacher. My entire life has been active in the arts. However, this isn’t a singilar anecdote; it’s easily thousands of connected stories of people from different generations.
@ChuckCheesman
AGREED ... seems like Every facet of life/society gets tainted by the Almighty Dollar. Still, people who appreciate True creativity in others will recognize/appreciate the True artists.