Keith Jenkins"EULAs of Despair"
https://www.pilotlab.org/eulas-of-despair
As an example, the first three tiers of the Amazon EULA terms total over 642,000 words of text, which translates into OVER 53 HOURS of reading at the rate of 200 words a minute.
Jamie LawrenceThe Amazon EULA is 1.09 Tolstoys
"A Tolstoy is the metric we are using to emphasize just how large these EULA webs can become. One Tolstoy is the length of the novel War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy, or 587,287 words."
Discord EULA is 5.63 Tolstoys
Google EULA is 9.33 Tolstoys
Reddit EULA is 11.58 Tolstoys
Twitter EULA is 15.83 Tolstoys
Snapchat is 17.10 Tolstoys
EvilKiru 🇮🇸 he/him@kgjenkins good grief!
nantucketlit@EvilKiru @kgjenkins I'll tell you what, those lawyers must have had some great lunches.
craftxbox@kgjenkins Where are you/they getting these EULA's? I have only ever agreed to one terms of service on discord-- *THE* terms of service, and the entire page only clocks 7,344 words? And I don't see anywhere where it forces me to agree to any other company's EULA.
_ɥs˙ʎǝʞuop # 🔜 AC@craftxbox @kgjenkins This confused me also, so I checked out the source link. The word count they publish seems to include all the connected documents and contracts you would have to read in order to fully understand the EULA you're agreeing to.
So, if I'm understanding right, the Discord EULA might include a line about sharing your personal data with their partners, so you would have to find all those partners and read *their* EULA's in order to be informed about the agreement you're signing onto. The researchers are totaling up the sum of all those documents to get the final numbers.
@bullsworth @craftxbox Yes, that's my understanding as well.
BoterBug@bullsworth @craftxbox @kgjenkins Feels a bit sensationalist. Tolstoy would be longer if you needed to read "supporting documents" for historical references you're not as familiar with.
Robin Syl 🌸
@boterbug @bullsworth @craftxbox @kgjenkins I don't think it's an incorrect way to measure it. These are indeed all the documents you are agreeing to when you click that button. Doesn't matter that it's not literally in the main document. Maybe they shouldn't have that many partners?
windwitch🍃tragus@robinsyl
yup, imo what they^ say
@boterbug
i think it both is sensationalist *and* the correct way of measuring this because it is directly about all the things one is "forced" agreeing to
it illustrates what a perversion it is to have to do so, i think you arrived at that emotional response but misattributed your resulting feelings from feelings about the eula being bad to feelings of the research method being bad, don't mind me if i got that totally wrong
Tenkoman@kgjenkins Reason to ask the lawyer if you get sued by them - to FULLY READ the contract out loud, to prove that a human being is UNABLE to read (or even understand) all EULAs in a reasonable time.
AlisonW ♿🏳️🌈♾️@kgjenkins
Tolstoy Long; Didn't Read
Tolstoy Long; Didn't Read
Richard W. Woodley ELBOWS UP 🇨🇦🌹🚴♂️📷 🗺️So in other words the only people who read these things are the lawyers drawing them up and they probably just cut and paste sections from other contracts without reading them.
Viraptor@kgjenkins I wish we had a "noyb but for bad eulas". It's getting more and more absurd because nobody challenges them.
Rihards Olups@viraptor @kgjenkins
Maybe one day EU will draw up a small set of standard EULAs, like 3 or 5.
Businesses could only choose from that list.
Each entry could also easily be summarised as "good", "fair" "terrible" in a specific area, like user rights or privacy.
Maybe one day EU will draw up a small set of standard EULAs, like 3 or 5.
Businesses could only choose from that list.
Each entry could also easily be summarised as "good", "fair" "terrible" in a specific area, like user rights or privacy.
Michael Cook@kgjenkins That is a both a genius and horrifying unit of measurement.
Tak!@kgjenkins Since they're using War and Peace, the obvious name for the metric isn't Tolstoys but WAPs 😉
Ozzelot 
@Tak @kgjenkins Wireless application protocols! Oh, the call costs would be huge.