Erin KissaneOct 29, 2024
I'd sure love to pay a tech co-op $25/month to host and sync a knowledge-workers stack including an open-source read-later + Obsidian or equivalent + Zotero + simple blogging with blot or something
Rahul RachuriOct 29, 2024
Show threadErin Kissane

Today's screams brought to you by Omnivore (open source) giving its entire hosted userbase two weeks to get their data out before they exuberantly drown themselves in the service of an Andreessen Horowitz-funded AI voice company co-founded by a Palantir person.

https://blog.omnivore.app/p/omnivore-is-joining-elevenlabs

(The two weeks' notice went to my spam folder, so I'm grateful someone mentioned it here and I happened to see it.)

Omnivore is joining ElevenLabs

a note from our founders

Omnivore Blog
Oct 29, 2024 at 8:16pmWeb
Show threadErin KissaneOct 29, 2024
Like I will WORK MY SHIFT AT THE CO-OP, I will wear a dusty apron and triage git issues and restock the produce, that would be the dream, but also if I can't have that I would just pay money.
Show threadTyrone SlothropOct 29, 2024

@kissane 100% this!

If I can’t have a co-op, then at least give me a small company made of real people, who will charge a reasonable price to provide the services they promised.

No hockey-stick growth bullshit. Just service in exchange for money.

Show threadראַף  Oct 30, 2024

@slothrop @kissane

This is what I like about omg.lol

It feels like it knows what it is and charges a sustainable amount for it

Show threaderin sparlingOct 29, 2024

@kissane I LOVE the idea of PSFC-style collective volunteering except applied to time-based knowledge work to support a platform. Not the open source contributor. Not the volunteer knowledge expert in a forum. Actual on-the-clock work. 2h 45m shifts for:
- customer support
- editing
- documentation
- testing
- monitoring
- etc

What is the coveted “cheese cutter” shift? The morning cleaning crew that no one wants but gives 2x the credits? Child care?

Show threadErin KissaneOct 29, 2024

@everyplace Right??

When I was tiny, my mom would take me with her to our rural food co-op for her shifts, and my strongest memory is that she couldn't figure out how to cut up this massive slab of unsweetened baking chocolate, so she finally just hoisted it up and smashed it on the marble counter, and shrapnel just went *everywhere*.

So then she bagged up the shards and moved on and I'm sure everyone around her was horrified but also it worked! And I've been sold on co-ops ever since.

Show threaderin sparlingOct 29, 2024

@kissane please tell me that some of those shards also disappeared into your mouth, because then that’s the best kid memory ever.

Also yes, I remember being in the (afaik) unsupervised childcare area in Pittsburgh as a toddler? Coops for kids are the best.

Show threadErin KissaneOct 29, 2024
@everyplace Oh they did, and that is how baby me discovered the remarkable sensation of accidentally scarfing a hunk of totally unsweetened chocolate 💀
Show threadSean BootsOct 29, 2024
@kissane @everyplace That is amazing.
Show threadEric McCorkleOct 30, 2024

@everyplace @kissane

This whole discussion has me bursting at the seams with a bunch of ideas I've had riding around in my head for a while!

Too many at once though, and it would be a dozen-post thread to get them all out.

Show threadBenOct 29, 2024
@kissane Literally looking in to this yesterday. Found this (I am in Australia): https://www.tauceti.org.au. So it has been done here!
The Tau Ceti Co-operative Ltd

Show threadTim LavoieOct 29, 2024

@kissane I've got a couple Linux VPSs from https://tornadovps.com/. Low friction, DIY-friendly. I know they changed hands some time back (formerly prgmr.com), but my limited experience hasn't changed so far.

So it wouldn't be a canned solution in any sense, but you could certainly host all you're talking about in that price range.

Tornado VPS — Linux and BSD server hosting

Xen virtual private server hosting for the technically adept. Since 2005. Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD virtual machines

Show threadNora Reed Oct 31, 2024
@kissane if you found the co op hmu if you need uhhhhhhhhhh tracery help. or glass
Show threadEndlessMasonOct 31, 2024
@kissane
Do we need a second co-op to build the site where i sign up for this first co-op?
Show threadVacuolicOct 29, 2024
@kissane lol what the hell
Show threadErin KissaneOct 29, 2024
@SarraceniaWilds I only send a mean email like once every two or three years but I sent a mean-ass email
Show threadEthan MarcotteOct 29, 2024
@kissane man w h a t
Show threadRandom Geek in limboOct 29, 2024
@beep @kissane Am suddenly very glad I kept forgetting to use Omnivore.
Show threadMartin, Regulus TithoniumOct 29, 2024
@randomgeek I’m annoyed I rushed to get everything out of instapaper so I could switch. Glad I haven’t made /super/ heavy use of it yet, I guess. Sigh.
Show threadIt's a me, MauroOct 30, 2024
@randomgeek @beep @kissane lol I thought the same today while I was going through potential good saved articles to relocate before killing my account with fire!
Show threadErin KissaneOct 29, 2024
@beep Imagine, if you will, a guillotine, but very large
Show threadEthan MarcotteOct 29, 2024
@kissane one must imagine Lorge Guillotine happy
Show threadProf. Catherine FlickOct 29, 2024
@kissane what the actual fuck, that's dreadful. And they're still accepting sign-ups!! (I was logged out, the email also went to my spam folder)
Show threadTerry GodierOct 29, 2024
@kissane ruined my 2-4pm leisure period, honestly
Show threadErin KissaneOct 29, 2024
@terry I am trying to write about one bad software thing and was totally thrown off course by a different bad software thing, I feel you
Show threaddamonOct 29, 2024
@kissane
Was talking with Laurens about this as we are both users. SMH this is disappointing
Show threadDavid WheelerOct 29, 2024
@kissane Curious what you'll switch to. I only just started using Omnivore a few months ago after a bajillion years on Instapaper.
Show threadJake LaCazeOct 29, 2024
@theory @kissane wallabag is an affordable and serviceable option.
Show threadFlakiOct 29, 2024
@theory @kissane I switched to self-hosted Wallabag from Pocket last year and while it's not amazing it gets the job done, has a Firefox extension & Android app, can import from other stuff…
Show threadDavid WheelerOct 29, 2024
@flaki @kissane Sounds useful, though I'm an iOS and Safari user…
Show threadFlakiOct 29, 2024
@theory @kissane iOS should work, too! https://wallabag.org/
Save the web, freely | wallabag: a self hostable application for saving web pages

Show threadDavid WheelerOct 29, 2024
@flaki @kissane Thanks!
Show threadFor I am CJ   Oct 29, 2024

@kissane

F-YOUuuuuuu to the Vulture 'Capitalists'

Omnivore is shutting down after getting bought up by Vultures

People who have their data hosted in Omnivore cloud have till Nov 15 to get it exported (then it's deleted)

Open Source users, it sounds like they've been forced to abandon the project as part of the buy up

"Lastly, ElevenLabs is committed to the developer community and the Omnivore codebase will remain 100% open-source for all users. This decision ensures that the broader development community can continue to build upon and improve Omnivore’s technology."

Show threadryanOct 29, 2024
@kissane I got this email today and every sentence made me want to scream louder. 🫠 Thankfully I didn't embed myself *too* deeply into Omnivore but it's so frustrating how much of its marketing and pitch was built on... not doing this
Show threadErin KissaneOct 29, 2024
@ryan Yep, they sold very hard on being exactly not this. I have rarely wanted so viscerally to egg someone's house.
Show threadEmelia 👸🏻Oct 29, 2024
@kissane wow, that's kinda horrific.
Show threadErin KissaneOct 29, 2024
@thisismissem Very far from ideal along any axis except someone's bank account.
Show threadvastaOct 29, 2024
@kissane Curious what you’ll use as your read-it-later solution now; I’ve been soliciting recommendations on where to go now that Omnivore is done. If you do find a good solution, please do share!
Show threadWill Hopkins 🌈📸Oct 29, 2024

@vasta @kissane Unclear how broad you're casting your net, so if you don't want other folks to weigh in I'll delete this.

That said, I've been looking Wallabag or similar options via PikaPods. It's not a 100% hosted solution so may not meet your needs, but this whole thing leaves such a bad taste in my mouth that I am scared of hosted options now.

Show threadStryder NotaviOct 29, 2024

@willhopkins @vasta @kissane I'm using Wallabag on Pikapods at the moment and it's decent, but does have problems with some sites that use anti-bot protections.

I'm tempted to give Readeck a try, since that apparently captures the content from your browser instead of sending a separate request - which should be a bit more robust for the modern web.

Show threadWill Hopkins 🌈📸Oct 29, 2024
@StryderNotavi removing the others so as not to spam them: Readadeck looked really interesting, and I agree on the relative robustness. I'm using linkding at the moment for my bookmarking there, and they have some Internet Archive options for archiving, but not local.
Show threadvastaOct 30, 2024
@StryderNotavi That’s definitely the first I’ve heard of Readeck, so I’m putting it on the list of things to try. Thanks!
Show threadBlake Naccarato Nov 8, 2024

@StryderNotavi
@willhopkins @vasta @kissane

Here's a bunch of posts about it that I snipped while searching for Omnivore alternatives myself.

I am now using the official Obsidian Web Clipper on desktop and mobile (Firefox extension for mobile), but haven't found an equivalent newsletter handler to Omnivore, which gave you an email address to automatically receive newsletters for you outside of your inbox.

https://gist.github.com/blakeNaccarato/fa948dd94590fb871dec5fd4cf763133

Omnivore acquisition

Omnivore acquisition. GitHub Gist: instantly share code, notes, and snippets.

Gist
Show threadvastaNov 8, 2024
@blakeNaccarato This is useful, thank you so much!
Show threadWill Hopkins 🌈📸Nov 8, 2024
@blakeNaccarato @StryderNotavi @vasta @kissane thank you for sharing this!
Show threadvastaOct 30, 2024
@willhopkins Hadn’t heard of Wallabag, but you’re one of a few that has recommended it so far, so it’s definitely worth a look! Not sure I have the technical chops to host my own solution, but I can always try.
Show threadWill Hopkins 🌈📸Oct 30, 2024
@vasta someone reminded me that they have a hosted option as well! Wallabag.it
Show threadvastaOct 30, 2024
@willhopkins Thank you!
Show threadLarry GarfieldOct 29, 2024

@vasta @kissane Wallabag is a self hosted option. Open source.

https://wallabag.org/

Save the web, freely | wallabag: a self hostable application for saving web pages

Show threadvastaOct 30, 2024
@Crell Hadn’t heard of Wallabag, but you’re one of a few that has recommended it so far, so it’s definitely worth a look! Not sure I have the technical chops to host my own solution, but I can always try.
Show threadLarry GarfieldOct 30, 2024
@vasta There may be a paid hosted option. I'm not sure, but such projects often offer that. Otherwise, IIRC it's not that hard of a self host, as long as you know basic php app management. (It's built with Symfony.)
Show threadchrissygonzalezOct 29, 2024
@kissane Oh man, I just signed up for Omnivore literally yesterday
Show threadErin KissaneOct 29, 2024
@chrissygonzalez I am so sorry 😬
Show threadcandide.xyzOct 29, 2024

@chrissygonzalez @kissane It's never too late to switch again LOL! I made the switch to Raindrop.io a few weeks ago, and I don't think it was too difficult.

I did Pocket→Omnivore→Raindrop this year

Show threadchrissygonzalezOct 29, 2024
@candide @kissane Yay, thank you for the suggestion! I didn't do much research before choosing Omnivore (clearly), but it'll be easy to switch again.
Show threadJustin PotOct 29, 2024
@kissane I was going to migrate from Pocket to Omnivore but procrastinated. I guess I win?
Show threadwilliam.maggosOct 29, 2024

@kissane

it never worked for me on android but the world needs lots of competing versions of Pocket like we have with podcatchers. supported with monthly donations. same for #peertube viewers. and eventually music alternatives to Spotify ala #Bandwagon.

Show threadbenOct 29, 2024
@kissane oh ffs. I’d just been intending to try this out (I’d forgotten what it was called, so I needed to go back and look for the recommendation, and I hadn’t quite gotten around to that, and now…)
Show threadtootbruteOct 30, 2024
@kissane again confirming my bias that i self-host everything and don't trust any SaS crap.
Show threadMia (web luddite)Oct 30, 2024

@kissane no, I JUST set up my Omnivore - I'm so tired of this.

I want to join the co-op

Show threadbrynOct 30, 2024
@kissane such a shame. Omnivore was always too good to be true, but because it was so good, you forgot that something like this was bound to happen.