@hacks4pancakes Goddammit, this is such ignorant bullshit...

To begin with, the computers in the cars are protected much better than those of the voting machines.

Furthermore, it depends on what "voting machines" means. In my country they are just glorified printers. The voter uses the computer of the machine to select a vote - but eventually the selection is printed and then counted by hand.

And if the meaning is "remote voting", then voting has requirements like anonymity, non-repudiation, authentication, protection from coercion, etc. that car computers don't need and don't have. I once wrote a small essay on this subject - "why we can order cucumbers over the Internet but can't vote remotely".

Oh, yes, and the self-drviving part of Musk's cars pretty much sucks; I wouldn't trust that, either.

@bontchev @hacks4pancakes

Speaking as someone who has worked on both voting machine security¹ ² and automotive embedded systems security,³ ⁴ I can say: Lesley is 100% right, and your take here and below is wrong and (in context) harmful.

Automotive ECUs communicate within a car over high-speed networks. They are connected to the outside world via cellular and other wireless networks. In a drive-by-wire car, compromised ECUs can cause physical harm.

For the 2024 election, voting machines in nearly all jurisdictions will record the voter’s selections on a paper record that voters can check.⁵ Voting machines are just one part of a careful system of election procedures that is software-independent: one in which we can have confidence in the reported outcome of an election even in the (hypothetical) presence of compromised or malicious voting machines.⁶

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¹ https://votingsystems.cdn.sos.ca.gov/oversight/ttbr/Hart-source-public.pdf
² https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~hovav/dist/avc.pdf
³ https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~hovav/dist/cars-oakland2010.pdf
https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~hovav/dist/cars-usenixsec2011.pdf
https://verifiedvoting.org/verifier/#mode/navigate/map/ppEquip/mapType/normal/year/2024
https://www.carnegie.org/publications/securing-vote-protecting-american-democracy/