mccOct 15, 2024
So this is the second time now I've seen someone make the (good!) observation that SSGs are a non-option to nontechies but here's the thing: It *should* be pretty easy to make a web editor that shows a directory listing, lets you drag in PNGs and edit Markdown files in a little box, and then feeds the directory directly into an SSG, and maybe optionally SCPs them to another server after that fact. Someone coulda made this 10 years ago. Just nobody did
https://vmst.io/@jalefkowit/113307815934062221
cc @jalefkowit
Jason Lefkowitz (@[email protected])

Like, if your pitch for a system to replace WordPress starts with "first, learn Markdown and Git," I need you to understand that you are living in a completely different galaxy than the median WordPress user

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Show threadCassandra is only carbon nowOct 15, 2024
@mcc @jalefkowit That's more or less how FrontPage and Dreamweaver used to work back in the day. Terrible, but they at least showed that the niche exists and can work.
Show threadmcc
@xgranade @jalefkowit i only interacted with it briefly but dreamweaver seemed kinda good to me honestly
Oct 15, 2024 at 2:16amWeb
Show threadcthos 🐱Oct 15, 2024
@mcc @xgranade @jalefkowit I completely unironically loved Dreamweaver (I *also* loved Flash and Actionscript 2)
Show threadSwiftOnSecurityOct 15, 2024
@mcc @xgranade @jalefkowit I fucking loved dreamweaver. I can code basic HTML/CSS by hand still for a competent simple website, but it made the discovery of that so incredibly powerful. And the template system meant you didn't need a CMS or really even libraries and everything was instant. We fucked up bad.
Show threadGarrett WollmanOct 15, 2024
@SwiftOnSecurity @mcc @xgranade @jalefkowit And a CMS is *literally that* but as a web app.
Show threadcondieOct 15, 2024
@SwiftOnSecurity @mcc @xgranade @jalefkowit as I developer I hated dreamweaver because the designers would “code” a site that I then had to make work with the backend, and it was an unmaintainable mash of css styles and random divs. It could just be that I saw bad examples, but it seemed like dreamweaver was best for static sites that never needed dynamic content from a backend.
Show threadProtectYourWPOct 15, 2024

@condie @SwiftOnSecurity @mcc @xgranade @jalefkowit

Actually, it was worse than that for me. I cut my teeth on raw HTML, and whenever I had to deal with dreamweasel generated sites I'd end up having to cut a ton and a half of redundant crap in order to fit the then-relevant pageweight rules (remember those?). I hated the bloat!

I'd rather have gotten the raw copy and hand-coded it. It would have saved me time.

Show threadVirginicusOct 15, 2024
@ProtectYourWP “pageweight” - now there’s a word I haven’t heard in a long time. </obiwan>
Show threadHeliographOct 15, 2024
@SwiftOnSecurity we used ColdFusion and the evolution to DW was just glorious @mcc @xgranade @jalefkowit
Show threadGavin AndereggOct 15, 2024
@SwiftOnSecurity @mcc @xgranade @jalefkowit I don’t think I ever loved Dreamweaver, but holy frog did it ever make the “mess of tables” HTML designs of the late-90s/early-aughts easier! I built some zany things with 10+ nested layers of tables, and it was close to impossible to do without a nice visualization. Kids today don’t know how different life was before CSS and Firebug!
Show threadAcesabeOct 15, 2024
@SwiftOnSecurity
Check #Webflow - It's been around for 10 years already and seems to pick up where Dreamweaver left off but web based, and then some, but seems nobody's heard of it...
@mcc @xgranade @jalefkowit
Show threadKaran JOct 16, 2024
@SwiftOnSecurity @mcc @xgranade @jalefkowit now you’ve got me missing dreamweaver :(