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siderealNormal people hearing about a robot that makes burgers: “Wow! So futuristic!”
People who have worked in restaurants: “Who’s gonna clean it”
Occam’s Razor for Kitchen Gadgets: If it doesn’t save cleanup time, it probably doesn’t save time overall.
A food processor chops onions much faster than a kitchen knife, but I can clean a dozen kitchen knives in the time it takes to break down and deep clean a food processor.
And the part that takes the longest is peelin em, anyway.
Stan Wonn 🏳️🌈 🌹@sidereal Exactly. I also enjoy chopping my own vegetables. It’s almost meditative for me.
Bugspriet at EH23 Dect 3303
Vired@StanWonn how dare u
Violet MadderOoh! Important insight!
Rachael L@sidereal YEP. we use a mortar and pestle for many tasks that often are suggested to use a food processor or other electric gadget. But cleaning those gadgets take so long and cleaning a m&p takes hardly any time at all.
Adam Jacobs 🇺🇦@r343l @sidereal There's definitely a balance to be struck. If you're dealing with small quantities of food, the food processor is often not the quickest way.
Though having a dishwasher-safe food processor bowl tips the balance in favour of smaller quantities. But still it's never likely to be good for tiny quantities.
And chopping onions is pretty quick with a knife anyway. I hate to think how many onions I would need to chop to want to use the FP for that.
Alex von Kitchen@sidereal As a bladesmith i endorse this message
aburka 🫣@Dangerous_beans @sidereal I see... while we were building robots, you studied the blade?
River Kitten 🏳️⚧️@sidereal
I agree with this for time reasons but not for onions making me cry reasons 😹
I agree with this for time reasons but not for onions making me cry reasons 😹
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Morten Hilker-Skaaning@sidereal I've started chopping onions in half before peeling them. It's much easier to grab the skin when it's open like a book.
MarjorieR@morten_skaaning @sidereal also works with garlic, though the size makes then a bit more fiddlely to work on.
LR@sidereal i'm with you on the burger maker but this is where you're leaning too far out the window. peeling onions is fast with one cut and then just removing one full layer. a small onion chopper / mixer with separable motor/blade is quickly rinsed and deferred to the dishwashing machine. and it doesn't just chop one thing at a time. add two garlic cloves (crush before peel), a spoonful of vinegar and a teaspoon of sugar, and it does three jobs at once.
in summer, i use it to make iced latte.
the vessel of morganna@sidereal I have some nice knives for vegetable chopping and they're my usual go-to, but I do keep a small food processor for things like sofritos when I'm feeling lazy. there are some decent ones that can be cleaned in a minute or less thankfully
Trolli Schmittlauch 🦥@sidereal That's why I love my robust garlic press that works without peeling the cloves, and which is trivial to clean.
Karen E. Lund 💙💛@sidereal I don't use the food processor just for chopping a few veggies, only for recipes that require chopping (slicing, etc.) several ingredients and probably mixing in the processor as well. Or for fine dicing at scale, such as "ricing" cauliflower or broccoli after hand-slicing the florets from it.
Even better if I can prep two or more recipes without thoroughly cleaning the food processor. Obviously that only works for recipes with similar ingredients.
Sarah E Bourne@sidereal The only thing I use a food processor for is finely chopping walnuts - not quite flour size - for when I make my shortbread+walnut cookies. (You have to be careful not to overdo it and get paste.) Hand chopping this takes so much longer than you would think.
Miia Mustang@sidereal Food processors and blenders are a meme lol
Most of the things that need blending, I use an immersion blender for. Much easier to clean, simple to use and if it's made of steel (like mine), you can just stick it into boiling hot things and it still works like a charm
Also, no need to get like a 5L blender when you can just use it straight in a pot lol
As for food processors, I think practicing and maintaining knife skills is overall much more beneficial in general.
@sidereal "but what if you wanna turn something into a paste hmm? You can't do that with a knife!"
Buddy, pal, friend...
Ever heard of mortar and pestle?
@sidereal Sidenote:
I can take and use my mortar and pestle anywhere, be it at a cabin, in the wilderness, in the park, at work, on a boat, underground, aboveground, in a blizzard, etc, etc
This also applies to knives/cutlery
But I can only use a food processor in places with an electrical socket.
@sidereal Also, which do you think is more likely to last for generations?
A mortar and pestle made of granite
or
A contraption with an electric motor, moving parts, plastic housing and cheaply made (model specific) blades
@sidereal Furthermore
Food processors don't crush 😭
Crushing is how you make flavor happen bcuz oils and fats
@sidereal There is a caveat here though!
Food processors are amazing devices for those who have limited motor function and/or have issues with their hands and/or arms!
Knife skills and mortar and pestle are amazing, but do require either precision or lots of repitition which some people are simply not able to do. And that's fine!
But from my own pov, food processor is mostly a cheap contraption tbh
Lord Caramac the Clueless, KSC@sidereal Using the food processor makes sense if you need to slice or dice a lot of food, and if you can put the dirty components in the dishwasher.
Annie@sidereal This is a good point.
Even with a food processor and even a smaller sized electric vegetable chopper... they're just too much hassle to work with even if they make the chopping step easier. A decently sharp chefs knife just works better for me.
Even with a food processor and even a smaller sized electric vegetable chopper... they're just too much hassle to work with even if they make the chopping step easier. A decently sharp chefs knife just works better for me.
joel b@sidereal now, how exactly does one clean an air fryer?
Mardoch@sidereal this is why I rarely use my mandolin. what a pain to clean
Gene Pasquet@sidereal I also enjoy the feeling of getting more skilled in the use of the kitchen knife as I use it.
Ramin Honary“Occam’s Razor for Kitchen Gadgets: If it doesn’t save cleanup time, it probably doesn’t save time overall.”
@sidereal corollary: if your kitchen appliance has a weird shape that doesn’t fit in the dishwasher you have to clean it by hand, and that weird shape will take at least a few minutes to get all the nooks and crannies, it isn’t going to be saving you any time during clean-up.
@ramin_hal9001 @sidereal my dishwasher corollary: there's always something that won't fit in the dishwasher and that you'll need to wash by hand. Food processors, bone handled kitchen knives and large trays included. Needless to say we always wait till the dishwasher is completely full of things that wash well in a dishwasher and don't take an inordinate amount of space before turning it on.
Z̈oé@sidereal if it can’t be cleaned in my dishwasher I’m not interested
Michelle HughesBut what if you have a deal with roommates where one cooks and the other cleans and then you switch?
Then the food processor cleaning time becomes an externality that I can simply burden others with.
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Andres Jalinton@sidereal all that blood so much of it 
anubis2814@sidereal Omg the level of grease that's going to build up on this things
Andy HΞ3
Jargoggles@sidereal
"Burger machine broke."
"Burger machine broke."
@sidereal Next step is to build a robot that cleans the robot the makes burgers. Its robots all the way down.
@sidereal so real! It makes life apparently more efficient just to create extra work for others to clean it!
Cassandrich@sidereal This is very solvable but the clowns selling these visions have no intent on solving it or even awareness that it's part of the problem space.
eri 
@sidereal we have replaced the 2 people who make burgers with 1 person to install the robot, 1 person to clean the robot, and 1 person to maintain the robot!
Andrew@sidereal clean it? just buy a new one 🙃
proedie@sidereal Industry: Great! Let’s sell cheap single use robots!!1one
🐧DaveNull🐧 ☣️pResident Evil☣Sci-fi fans: I don't trust robots to make my food!
Mirko Schenk@sidereal Shouldn't be too hard to build a robot with a housing that's even better to clean than human skin. Remove some sensitive internals, put it in a kind of dishwasher, put the internals back in.
But somehow I doubt they though about this.
But somehow I doubt they though about this.
Cegorach@sidereal THE single best way to select decent kitchen gadgets
decent knive? pour water over it, one stroke with a towel - cleaner than most things!
air fryer vs. traditional fat-deep fryer? one of both makes a utter mess out of the kitchen, the other only has two parts that can be dropped into the dishwasher
DFDF 
❄️@sidereal This.
When I was a student to be an architect, the others did fantastic plans.
I always thought: who will clean all that windows and all that corners you can't reach anyway?
Guss who got better notes.
isolWhich celebrity chef will have their voice stolen and synthesised so the robot can yell "Coming behind you!" ?
Michael de Podesta@sidereal It's the way of history. We invent machines to help us, and end up as servants to the machines.
Johanna Janiszewski@Protons4B @sidereal thats why I will never have a coffee automat at home
Grant Gould@sidereal Also people who have worked on robots, tbh. We 3D print fake food bits out of polyurethane to avoid having to clean our lab as much.
Stephen J Henstridge@sidereal A cleaning robot, obviously