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Recruiters should adopt the discipline of reviewing resumes and portfolios like academics do for peer review.

Oblomov Sep 28, 2024

@impactology even better, double blind

@oblomov agreed!

@impactology that made a lot more sense pre-internet, before you would get thousands of resumes for a job because there’s no friction in the process.

@cferdinandi Even if there are thousands of resumes or portiflios it's just 2-3 pages

Shouldn't take more than 2 or 3 weeks reading it

@impactology i’m not sure if this is a serious response or not, but either way, I can’t take it seriously.

@cferdinandi I was just saying isn't this the job of recruiters? Why have they got so comfortable in using such a dehumanising procedure of evaluating people for a job

If they can't even dignify giving few minutes to people who spent years honing their expertise or skill then what use is that profession?

@impactology most recruiters are recruiting for more than one job at a time. Most recruiters then also need to contact the narrow down, subset of candidates and conduct an initial screening interview. Most recruiters need to coordinate a whole series of interviews between various folks on the hiring team and candidates. most recruiters need to coordinate with the financial and legal teams to generate offer letters and contracts.

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@impactology the Internet simultaneously makes it easier to find jobs, and easier for people to apply to roles for which they are not a good fit.

The software only exists to deal with the glut of resumes from unqualified candidates that recruiters started receiving around the time that monster.com came into existence.

Recruiters do way more than just read resumes all day.

@cferdinandi

Okay, thanks for clarifying but then how do you explain something like this happening?

"The software only exists to deal with the glut of resumes from unqualified candidates"

@impactology the ehnshitification of these tools, just like everything else? Seems pretty clear this came to light specifically because the tools have gotten worse and are no longer helping.

@cferdinandi Ah ehnshitification, that also makes sense yes.

Well thanks for being patient with me and giving another go at explaining

@impactology a while ago, I wrote something about how these tools used to work: https://gomakethings.com/your-resume-probably-wont-be-seen-by-a-human-and-how-to-fix-that/

I suspect these tools are less keyword based and more AI driven now, and I would imagine you would see a sharp decrease in their accuracy as a result.

Your resume probably won't be seen by a human (and how to fix that)

Before I was a web developer, I was an HR guy who taught software developers how to grow their careers. Today, I wanted to share some behind-the-scenes info about how the hiring process work. Did you know that most resumes aren’t ever seen by an actual person? Let’s dig in! Most resumes aren’t actually seen by a human at all Before the internet, if you wanted to apply for a job you had to browse through job listing in the local paper and physically mail in your resume.

https://mastodon.social/@impactology/110768209000233629

@cferdinandi For those without Ivy league degrees, self-taught devs this is especially depressing

@impactology let me see if I can dig up my writing on how to handle that. Will share shortly.

@impactology I don't have a public article on this yet, so I just tossed it up as a GitHub gist for now: https://gist.github.com/cferdinandi/af904be02029f835477aa07982232e6e

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@cferdinandi Good of you to include this

@impactology happy to! It’s how got hired early on myself (self taught with an unrelated degree)

Stanley Black-Decker Sep 28, 2024

@cferdinandi @impactology I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest companies grow their staff to do a job properly. Especially once it's discovered that the time-saving tools that motivated workforce reductions are actually counter-productive

@pleaseclap @impactology ATS's have been in use for about 20 years now. That it's a problem now has less to do with the software itself and more to do with people jamming shitty AI models into everything and making software notably worse.

Before the ATS, recruiters would use other shitty tactics to toss resumes without review, like education requirements or "I don't like the way this name sounds."

(Obviously that still happens today even with ATSs)

Stanley Black-Decker Sep 28, 2024

@cferdinandi @impactology

Workforce reductions in HR are not limited to recent years

@pleaseclap @impactology workforce reductions aren’t limited to HR. I don’t have a problem with these tools. Your complaints have more to do with capitalism.

Stanley Black-Decker Sep 28, 2024

@cferdinandi @impactology You're obviously not following

Chris Ford

Sep 28, 2024

@impactology To be fair, that manager probably shouldn't have been hired, if they set up that team.

IronCladLou Sep 28, 2024

@impactology you can just hear the CEOs of these companies using AI for hiring whining “no one wants to work anymore!” 🙄

Gabrielle Klein-Mejia Sep 28, 2024

@impactology I have no idea how much this is currently affecting me. My company forced a RTO, and I have been applying for remote work I'm qualified for daily since June.

I've had one interview.

Everything else has been a rejection.

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Jochie 👨🏻‍💻🏳️‍🌈Sep 28, 2024

@impactology FWIW, the article in the screenshot - https://www.yourtango.com/self/manager-proves-hr-system-auto-rejecting-candidates-using-own-resume

Entire HR Team Fired After Manager Uses His Own Resume To Prove Their System Is Auto-Rejecting All Candidates

His discovery raises the question of how often this happens at other companies and how ill-suited tech is to recruiting.

YourTango

Seth A. Roby Sep 28, 2024

@impactology full disclosure: my day job is as tech lead on an ATS (for academics, which is a different weird niche).

The ATS makes it _possible_ for folks to follow the bevy of existing (good!) laws surrounding hiring.

Let’s ban AI in ATSs; sign me up. But the ATS itself is gonna stay.

Seth A. Roby Sep 28, 2024

@impactology what laws? Obviously they vary, but I know the US ones.

When you disqualify someone, you need a reason. Every time. You need to report these reasons to the federal auditor. You need to be able to go back a few years and explain, for every applicant, why they fell short. Then you need to throw all that away after a bit so it’s not kept too long.

There’s just no way to do this stuff right at scale without automating large parts of it.