Jon WorthI’m at #Innotrans all day. I’ll sporadically post in this thread.
First impression: CRRC (Chinese manufacturer) has the main advert at Messe Süd
And here it is! The most stupid rail vehicle currently produced. A hydrogen tram 🤬 Hyundai-Rotem #Innotrans
The Talgo electric locomotive for DB - series 105 - is here. They didn’t already build 19 of these I hope? 🤔 #Innotrans
Končar has a battery electric multiple unit here. That seems to charge only from a cable, not from an overhead wire in a terminus #Innotrans
And if you’re going “what’s wrong with a hydrogen tram?” you’re going to be dealt with totally scornfully. Put up a wire. That’s it. #Innotrans
As is a Stadler built new U-Bahn for Berlin - for the narrow profile lines. This is built super solidly, and is more roomy than existing designs. Impressive design. #Innotrans
There’s an Alstom Coradia Max EMU. Mix of single and double deck carriages. Inside it feels cramped - feels like they’re trying to cram in too many seats. #Innotrans
Quixoticgeek@jon isn't this what NS wants to replace the VIRM with ?
@quixoticgeek I can’t remember who won that contract. Did Alstom win?
@jon my bad. It's CAF. Similar idea tho. Mix of single and double decker.
@quixoticgeek Single - double deck mix is fine. Siemens does it well. So CAF could I presume.
@jon as yet I have no opinion on it. But no doubt NS will find some way to screw it up...
@quixoticgeek NS will probably make it totally charmless but functional.
@jon my initial reaction is they are replacing VIRMS with trains with a lower capacity. When they already don't have enough capacity on a lot of trains they run. So many NS stations have giant platforms, and yet they insist on 4 car trains with bonkers dwell times.
@quixoticgeek do it right and you can get v low dwelling times with a single-double deck mix. If you do it we…
@jon so this is an SBB only option then :p
Jos Dingjan@quixoticgeek @jon I mourn the original VIRM paint job - the updated one is bleh.
Another charmless but functional.
@happydisciple @jon what was the original? What do you think of the new "flow" version?
@jon @quixoticgeek Original is grey upper front/top, blue band starting from the doors going via the upper deck, separate blue band for the lower deck.
Flow is the bleh one - boring patterning (‘cept for the NS logo in white), and the blue paint is a touch too purple. We’ve gone from 3 non-yellow contrasting big elements to one.
Lasse Gerrits@quixoticgeek @jon sorry, only saw this now. CAF indeed.
@jon @quixoticgeek CAF did, with something looking similar to the Desiro HC
@quixoticgeek @jon Replace-and-augment DDZ, I thought? https://nieuws.ns.nl/ns-bestelt-60-nieuwe-dubbeldekkers-sneller-en-meer-stoelen/
NS bestelt 60 nieuwe dubbeldekkers: sneller en meer stoelen
NS bestelt 60 nieuwe dubbeldekkers bij de Spaanse treinfabrikant CAF. Gisteren is hiervoor het contract ondertekend. Het bijzondere aan deze trein is dat deze uit enkeldeks- en dubbeldeksrijtuigen bestaat. Hierdoor biedt de trein een hoge capaciteit aan zitplaatsen en een verbeterde toegankelijkheid voor mensen in een rolstoel door de gelijkvloe...
@happydisciple @jon the DDZ is in desperate need of replacement. It's second only to ICM stock for least pleasant to use.
@jon @quixoticgeek DDM and DD-AR were cromulent when introduced; DDZ didn’t turn DD-AR into intercities, they remained “stoptrein” in nature.
I (still) quite like ICM, apart from access & accessibility issues galore.
@happydisciple @jon as someone who usually travels with a bike. The ICM is a horrible experience.
@jon @quixoticgeek That’s some of the access & accessibility issues, yeah.