Jan RosenowAfter years and years of media reports that coal is having a comeback in the UK the last coal plant will go offline in just 2 weeks.
Coal in the UK is no more.
Credit for graph to @ketan
grob (teeth era) 🇺🇦🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️@janrosenow how did they get rid of it so quickly while Germany is taking until 2038 or something?
Kevin Leecaster@grob @janrosenow
Just because the UK has managed to shut down their coal plants faster than Germany has been able to shouldn't be as a cudgel against the Germans since their economy is so much larger and started from such a higher amount of coal burning.
If you look at how fast they're getting it off their grid, it is apparent they'll be done with it before 2038 if next year's elections go okay. The share of fossil fueled electricity of both is still the same now.
@GreenFire @janrosenow fingers crossed for a faster phase-out here! And I claim rights to cudgel against the Germans (being German 
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)@grob @janrosenow
The world owes Germans a debt of gratitude for ushering in this age of inexpensive renewable energy by investing heavily in it before it was inexpensive.
The world owes Germans a debt of gratitude for ushering in this age of inexpensive renewable energy by investing heavily in it before it was inexpensive.
@GreenFire @janrosenow I know! And it drives me nuts how bad policy let that slip away again. PV did a full industry lifecycle (in GER) within a decade, maybe less. At least someone took over (China iirc)
@grob @janrosenow
Sadly the Kremlin recognized the threat of renewable energy to their economy and have spent billions of dollars to undermine the German government in particular in relation to energy policy.
It has happened in most countries to a lesser degree although we are still not sure how much of our government is corrupted by Kremlin cash yet here in USA. It's considerable, but our fossil fuel corporations did such a good job of it that maybe the Kremlin didn't need to so much here.
@GreenFire oof, don't get me started on Russian influence. Germans are funny about Russia, in a bad way
Svante@grob @janrosenow Because Germany has been tricked into shutting down its nuclear fleet instead. 🤪
David O'BrienIt’s very windy. And lots of sea.
N3r0@grob @janrosenow Schottland Has a lot of natural Gas and they are using it. Germany doesnt use Its own natural Gas. But Its own coal.
Maya🌙
JRT@grob @janrosenow because Germany has an infrastructure problem. The south doesn't want wind turbines or power lines. The energy market is driven by exchanges and doesn't consider capacity issues of power lines,... So if solar and wind produces cheap energy the south buys it but can't receive it. Therefore the renewables get paid to do nothing and a coal/gas plant can scale up and down getting payed by taxes for the increased cost. It's a really stupid, self made problem that only exists because some politicians in the south want nothing to change. Meanwhile there is a new power line from the north of Germany to Great Britain to sell renewables to them.
At least that's my understanding of it and a lot simplified
At least that's my understanding of it and a lot simplified
coldclimate@janrosenow don't call it a comeback, it has been here for years.
John Robinson@janrosenow @ketan I had a friend who worked down a coal mine, he’s dead now. His dad also worked down a coal mine, he’s dead too.
Zen Zero ☯️ ◯
enthraxxx@janrosenow @ketan "Coal's making a comeback" seems to coincide with cold weather months. How odd.
Archie@janrosenow @ketan Awesome isn't it 😀
Winter TrabexThat's weird. This happened under a conservative government? I thought they were the ones who loved their fossil fuels.
Sean McCabe@janrosenow @ketan
Years from now Broadway productions of Oliver! will have the young boy slaving away in crypto mining operations.
Years from now Broadway productions of Oliver! will have the young boy slaving away in crypto mining operations.
Rhii Alexander 🏳️⚧️@janrosenow @ketan has an official date been announced for the closure of Ratcliffe on Soar? I live quite near it and thought it would be kinda cool to witness it on its last day
Raccoon🇺🇸🏳️🌈
dbrand666
Michael CookWow it goes up every winter. What a very reliable yet puzzling set of comebacks.
Wintermute_BBS@janrosenow they did not mean "british coal" ...
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Josh@janrosenow @ketan Genuinely a momentous event. Honestly I'd quite like the last plant to be opened as a museum, coal has been a major power source for so long. Next is to do that with gas...!
mira (lily)@janrosenow interestingly, coal made a tiny comeback in summer 2021 compared to summer 2020 and 2019
Patton@janrosenow @ketan Good news! Very interested to see how (and how effectively) the UK has handled retraining and re-employing former coal workers, and facilitating the redirection of coal-related capital investments to help make this transition as painless as possible to the people working in that industry who are most directly affected by the transition. In the U.S., that is the biggest obstacle: people, communities, and investments are still tied up with and depend on coal. Simply snapping some fingers and declaring a stop would be environmentally beneficial, but would throw those people and communities into personal chaos. The experiences of Germany and the UK can help the U.S. design a humanitarian transition plan that can help reduce political opposition.
RedstoneLP2@janrosenow "Coal's making a comeback!!"- media, probably
Otter-Matic@janrosenow @ketan this reminds me of the “Oh look a strawberry” Meme
Novi Scottia@janrosenow @ketan @andreasdotorg
…and as long as burning wood is „green“ for heating or power. isnt that what they do in UK in scale?
…and as long as burning wood is „green“ for heating or power. isnt that what they do in UK in scale?
Rasmus Lindegaard
Ketan Joshi@janrosenow For anyone in the replies saying 'now do Germany'.....I got ya :D :D :D
@ketan @janrosenow What is the compatible graph for nat gas generation?
Thorsten Biegner 🇪🇺🇺🇦🇵🇸@ketan @janrosenow Poland would be the most interesting I believe? Don‘t they have the largest coal installation base in Europe?
@thorstenbiegner @janrosenow Poland are a bit like Aus - still quite a high coal share, but also some quite deep reductions thanks to wind and more recently, huge solar growth
@ketan @janrosenow Wao that looks promissing :)
Sensible Crone@janrosenow @ketan great week to read George Orwell’s #RoadToWiganPier then, and bask in an overdue triumph. Lots of copies available, but also Gutenberg Australia has it for you. https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200391.txt