True
Ellia Plisskenbeavers and capybara are classified fish by the Catholic Church
WIZARD POPEđź’«Water creature moment.
ShardikprimeHydrologic high ground
How about ducks?
no, but alligators and puffin.
my basic understanding is that people wrote intentionally advantageous descriptions of the animals when submitting them to the Vatican for approval or something. like they just stressed how much time the animal spends in water and not much else, and the pope wrote back saying “yeah that’s okay”
Iirc the capybara thing was a special dispensation to help out indigenous tribes in south America
“God makes an exception for you and your group, specifically.”
So they are … God’s chosen people?
Annoyed_🦀 Witches.
How do you know ducks are witches?
Who are you, so wise in the ways of science?
Vandals_handleTIL eating beaver is approved by the catholic church
Yeah it seems like a gotcha, but they would tell you you are not eating fertilized eggs in a heartbeat. Not on their side, just saying.
The eggs we buy in supermarkets come from hens who have never seen a cock.
It’s basically bird menstruation in a shell.
Well now I’m just hungry for an omelette.
If you make it with ostrich eggs, is it called an omel?
blackluster117Omelotte
Pet peeve - chickens didn’t menstruate, they have no reason to. They do however ovulate, which is where we get the eggs from.
Oh god…I need bleach for my eyes
wizardbeardYeah, looks like a lot of motherfuckers don’t know how eggs work. Absolutely not a gotcha.
It’s about on par with the “every sperm is sacred” idea which to some extent is part of Catholic doctrine.
Man God gets quite irate over that.
BlackmistOnly if one gets wasted.
JackGreenEarthBut would they let you eat fertilised eggs?
skulblakaYou wouldn’t want to, but if you want to, ask for balut.
I wasn’t saying I wanted to, I was just asking if the Catholic Church would let one eat them on Fridays.
Lanusensei87Some religions outright forbid consumption of balut altogether, so probably?
It’s not a problem as long as the eggs weren’t incubated for too long. It will take for a while before anything visible developes
And otherwise it is just more proteins
MeatsOfRageLet’s face it, if gotchas ever really mattered the Catholic Church wouldn’t exist. Too easy to hand wave any real argument.
Next explain why you can eat fish when you aren’t allowed to eat meat. It was always about money/scarcity/greed
Seriously speaking, does someone have an answer to the land animal meat vs fish thing? I’m curious now
UllallullooIt was originally the Latin word “carnis”. They invented the fast from meat specifically to mean giving up the best food of, like, beef and chicken. When translated into English, “meat” was the best word they had to refer to the concept of land animal meat.
Ricky RigatoniWhen god flooded the world for 40 days and 40 nights to cleanse it of sin, the fish were entirely unaffected and thus still full of sin. So they deserve to be eatened.
This exchange would be very interesting if the person in question is into eating balut.
Yikes. Someone didn’t pay attention in school. They’re having a.fantasy gotcha conversation where they’re the hero, though…
My guy have you seen Lemmy
I’d think they’d just say “in this case yes”. Not every rule is an universal one
Or alternativel: “If you start pooping your children inside eggs before they are born, we want you to abort them”
Isn’t the church quite clear about when life begins? At first breath iirc? Stillborn kids don’t get baptized?
No, Catholics are possibly the most consistent religion in unanimously agreeing life begins at fertilization. (Which, eggs you eat aren’t fertilized anyway.)
They don’t baptize stillborn “babies” because they don’t believe in baptizing dead people, as it’s just a body at that point, no longer a complete person. Plus they believe since there was no opportunity, there is a way to heaven for them in the afterlife.
Fair enough, then the egg metaphor is fitting.
Jesus had no bio dad?
kittenzrulz123Our views on abortion are more shaped by our politics then religion, I’m sure some extreme parts of Judaism are against abortion but I don’t believe it has too much basis in Torah.
WereduckA lot of the eggs I get are fertilized (US, California), but maybe that’s because I tend to get “free range”. Can see the tiny embryo (~1mm) in a lot of them.
I’m pretty sure it was a thing that the most devout catholics are morally opposed even to birth control…
Not related to this point but also fish isn’t meat according to them.
I mean I get it but generally you don’t eat fertilized eggs
Yea just like Catholics don’t consider unfertilised human eggs to be humans
The Catholics are consistent this time
They don’t support birth control because of the potential, though, last I checked. Thank God my lunatic parents at least recognized that was too far
You do if you have roosters
How many people do you think own roosters compared to the number of people who eat eggs? It’s gotta be less than 1%
RememberTheApollo_Does the quantity of roosters determine the validity of the argument?
Since I said people “generally” don’t eat fertilized eggs, 50% rooster ownership among egg consumers would qualify.
So, for the purposes of this argument, according to your metric - 50% +1 fertilized eggs would then grant unhatched eggs the distinction of being alive and thereby now meat?
What? No, that’s not what I was arguing. I said most people do not eat fertilized eggs. That’s true even if some people do eat fertilized eggs. The proportion of fertilized eggs to unfertilized eggs does not affect the morality of eating either kind of egg.
The whole point of the post is whether eggs are meat or not. The discussion turned hypothetically to a fertilized egg or not being meat, and the answer being an unscientific yes. Your rebuttal was that most people don’t eat fertilized eggs, so therefore = not meat. I asked you how many eggs would have to be fertilized, to which you replied half. Therefore, to conclude this absurd conversation, 50% + 1 fertilized eggs makes them meat.
I think it’s pretty clear that this was silly, but the logic flows correctly.
I don’t think my parents would eat eggs on Friday if they thought it might be fertilized, and I think that’s the whole point here.
Anyway arguments here are going to be pointless since Catholics eat fish on Fridays anyway, so any logic is already flawed
Wait, why does it feel like you guys are just agreeing with each other? I thought you two were gonna fight?
0/10 very disappointed in lemmy
Sorry to disappoint. Next time I’ll be sure to throw in a couple of insults and use the phrase “burden of proof” to really stir the pot