VeeNew trolley problem!
Neil@VeroniqueB99 I fail to see the dilemma
@gneilyo me too.
outsidecontext 🇺🇦🕊️@gneilyo @VeroniqueB99 we don't have the trolley
@outsidecontext @VeroniqueB99 we must liberate our inner trolleys
A. No, née: Moose@gneilyo @outsidecontext @VeroniqueB99 my thought exactly. If they behave like 18th century french royalty, we should start treating them as such!
pelha@VeroniqueB99 not a problem for me! But the I happen to really like a liveable earth. Billionaires not so much (as in not at all.)
Jay@VeroniqueB99 Only if you can throw the lever into reverse so you can go over the billionaires a few times.
Cluster Fcku@VeroniqueB99 @WhiteCatTamer ... and those Billionaires give the impression they're what's holding up that earth, and the only thing preventing your demise is their role in it all. Yet you realize the blackmail, and discover it's so easy to just roll over these dispensable beings, redistribute their assets and holdings as payment of back taxes to the people, and let the earth breathe again.
LostintheMts@WhiteCatTamer I admire your thoroughness 🤭
Roger Ap Gwillian@VeroniqueB99 No problem at all. Bye-bye billionaires, it's been a horror knowing you.
Cassandrich@VeroniqueB99 Don't threaten us with a good time. 😈
Sean Boyer 🇵🇸 FREE PALESTINEHi! I'd really like to share this, but since I have vision-impared friends & followers, I only share images with alt text. Here is an #alt4u you could use if you were so inclined. Cheers!
The trolly problem meme: a trolly hurdles down a line drawing of a single track. Up ahead, the track splits into two tracks. A person stands ready at a lever which will change the path of the trolly from one track to another.
On the straight track is the Earth, in colour, with the caption: "one habitable biosphere". On the offshoot track is Mr. Monopoly with the caption "2700 billionaires"
@sb read the one I have I can change it if you want.
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It's perfect! Much obliged :)
It's perfect! Much obliged :)
i. celeste aurora 
[witchzard]@VeroniqueB99 @oxyhyxo Where is the problem?
NosirrahSec 🏴☠️ guillotine enthusiast
seism0saurusShouldn't Trolley Problems be a hard dilemma?
@seism0saurus 🤣🤣🤣🤣they usually are...🤣🤣🤣
🧊@VeroniqueB99 easy choice.
Aedius Filmania ⚙️🎮🖊️did you mean a trolley solution ?
@Aedius 🤣🤣🤣Oh yeah!...yeah that's what I meant!
MatrixWyrm@VeroniqueB99 Is it really a choice? At least for me, you could add a zero (or more if you’re feeling frisky) and nothing would change beyond the cleanup effort. (yes, I’m aware that there aren’t that many, which I’m glad of)
Paul McO'Smith III@VeroniqueB99 whilst i would run down the billionaires. nobody should hoard that wealth. they're not the problem.
the problem is basically everyone (else). to anyone: justify owning a car. you and your other car owners are a huge problem. why won't you stop? you're 17% of global emissions. yes, you're a tiny amount of that and can't make a difference. just like every other car owner. nothing changes. you're still the problem.
@pavsmith 👍 ...among other things (let's start with industry, say Cruise Ships.... no demand no supply, tax them to the gills cuz they're the problem - tons of other industries too... ) it's a big endless chain and no one wants to suffer. Not even short term so that we have a long term do they?
@VeroniqueB99 cruise ships are 0.06% of global emissions. the entire merchant fleet, 1.7%. cars, 17%. expend your energy more effectively. cruise ships might be a marquee cause, they're not The Problem. cars are The Problem. fossil fuelled power is even bigger. nuclear is basically 0%. given france's success with nuclear, and norway's with waste disposal, what is the reason for not going all in on nuclear? takes a long time to build? so what? the future of the earth, and the species lasts longer than the next decade. having said that, i'm not sure right now that's actually true. but yes, cruise ships and their 0.06%, that'll fix it.
and yes, i am fucking angry about this. it's what i do for a living, and no fucker anywhere actually cares about making an actual difference. the drought in africa right now? people are going to die. in droves. still, european sensibilities on the causes of climate change.
@VeroniqueB99 sorry, to be shouty, but i do long term climate modelling. on the track we're on right now, we're utterly f*cked. nobody is addressing the big problems. we're all complaining about cruise ships. it means the petro industry gets off scot free. they love it.
anyway, as i say, i don't want to be awful about this, but if you're looking closely, the problem is obvious, and urgent.
we have four scenarios we deal with (to keep it simple). CO2 in the atmosphere. all are plausible in certain scenarios.
1.5%, 2.5%, 4.5%, and 8.5%.
1.5% is alarming. most of the others are wild. 8.5% is borderline hilarious... because people are not taking this seriously.
anyway. enough ranting. thank you for reading. going to bed. g'night.
@VeroniqueB99 and thank you for being patient. it has been a shitty day for this topic at work, and i need to go to bed... #nightyNight
@pavsmith not a problem. I don't know why people ask scientists and then absolutely ignore what they're saying.... over. and over. and over again. 😭
@pavsmith Jesus... we're utterly f*cked indeed. I actually believe that and when you look around at what - if anything- is being done, it doesn't take a genius to see how bad it's going to get. No one is taking it seriously. You are quite right. The problem is, the short term $$$ is SO much more important.
It must be maddening for someone in your position. I'm sorry.
night.
@pavsmith well I had no idea they were .06% but needless to say the US is hands down the worst offender in terms of cars and their worship of them...
@VeroniqueB99 now there we can agree 100%!
The 0.06% comes from looking at the gross tonnage of the global merchant fleet vs. the cruise fleet tonnage and doing a simple calculation.
Problem is cruise ships can't use "bunker fuel" which tankers, etc. can. Think burning asphalt, but worse! The amount of sulphur. Blerk!
Anyway, let's kill cars!
@pavsmith it's a lot easier to live without a car in Europe than it is in the US so good luck with that killing! 🤣 Having said that, same with oil industry, good luck, they're so damned rich they can buy any government... 🤷♀️ on and on it goes... it's so sad to look at idk how you do it. You better develop a good grounding practice (meditation) cuz you need to do some serious self care.
(btw the reason I hate cruise ships isn't so much their carbon footprint but more their business practices)
Ellen@VeroniqueB99 You actually made it easier to solve 😎
Moppi
Sakura 
| 🅥 |@VeroniqueB99 they should get ready to be abolished
Zoidberg For President@VeroniqueB99 I see no problem there
Cédric BRINER@VeroniqueB99 j'adore ce type de dessin revisité
Klaus Vink Slott
Philip KaludercicIt remains a dilemma, since the habitable biosphere (or rather the dominant social and productive conditions) created the 2700 billionaires. By confusing billionaires (or rather capitalists as agents) for capital, it is easy to anthropomorphize a consequence.
To quote a footnote from Capital:
The contrast between the power, based on the personal relations of dominion and servitude, that is conferred by landed property, and the impersonal power that is given by money, is well expressed by the two French proverbs, “Nulle terre sans seigneur,” and “L’argent n’a pas de maître,” – “No land without its lord,” and “Money has no master.”
Maddie@VeroniqueB99 but what about the billionaires' feelings? they're people too! /s
Misuse Case@VeroniqueB99 Hey @AnarchoNinaWrites just in case someone hasn’t already pointed this out to you
twilwel antifascist@VeroniqueB99 is that the tax man at the lever?