I love it so much!
Firefox has made it SO EASY to switch to Firefox from Chrome, that you dont even lose your OPEN TABS.
Have you got 34 open tabs lol? And you lost uBlock ad-blocker today? (You did, you lost your ad blocker, because Google)
You dont even lose open Tabs! (And you get to install uBlock)
Fancy that.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/switching-chrome-firefox
@kevinrns @Pineywoozle
And, for anyone concerned about Firefox / Mozilla continuing to exist in the face of recent FTC actions against Google (Google is a major financial underwriter of Mozilla), there's an even more secure and private browser based on Firefox called Floorp Browser:
@yoasif @kevinrns @Pineywoozle
Probably a better question for the devs, we were just offering an alternative for those who didn't know about Floorp or the financial realities of Mozilla.
We presume you understand the risk to Mozilla, given your statement "when the upstream goes away."
We don't know who or whether the FF code base would be maintained if Mozilla goes away, though we are cautiously optimistic that FOSS true believers with the requisite technical skills will step into the breach -- either by maintaining the code, or by making the next thing.
We'd be cool with just using Qutebrowser, but then we're weird that way... Not everybody wants to use a keyboard-based web browser 
@strangeculprits @kevinrns @Pineywoozle I don't understand how you think this is an alternative if you think that Mozilla may not continue to exist.
It's not like this browser has any real marketshare, any way of monetizing itself (in order to hire people), or even a significant contributor base.
Are you comfortable saying "use it for as long as it lasts, and don't think about whether using this actually hurts the upstream"? Because I don't really see how Floorp can replace what Mozilla does.
@yoasif @kevinrns @Pineywoozle
Perhaps we misunderstand each other.
Our post was simply to share, *with end users,* that a FF based browser --with better default user security protections-- is available now.
As you are the former moderator of r/firefox, surely you know the following:
1. Google supports FF as a fig leaf against FTC antitrust claims. The current FTC sees through that ruse. Google may pull financial support of Mozilla as a result.
2. Mozilla, fearful of going dark from losing the Google money, has started changing Firefox in ways that, in the long run, could turn FF into nothing more than Chrome with a different rendering engine.
Gecko, Blink, and WebKit --the 3 largest actively maintained rendering engines-- are all open source licensed. Even if Mozilla loses its Google blood money and disappears, other organizations with an interest in continuing Gecko could (we think *would*) step in: the Linux Foundation, Apache, KDE, Framasoft, RedHat, SUSE, to name a few
@strangeculprits @kevinrns @Pineywoozle I'm pretty doubtful of your third point -- the support given to Gecko *today* is minuscule - why would organizations attempt to replace Google's revenue entirely, rather than contributing to Chromium or WebKit on the margins?
What is more likely -- that developers will gravitate towards forking or contributing to a fully funded codebase with paid developers, or one that has no upstream and will quickly experience user flight?
@yoasif @kevinrns @Pineywoozle
Is your point that Firefox is already dead?
What if people resigned themselves to "well, we're such with Twitter" after Elon bought it, because it (was at the time) well-funded? If that happened, then we're wouldn't even be here in the Fediverse talking about this, or any other, topic.
We believe enough well-funded interests care enough about "free as in freedom" software that there will *always* be FOSS browsers available to the small number is us who truly care.
Indeed, FF was born from the ashes of Netscape, after Microsoft bundled IE with Windows expressly to kill Netscape. We believe FF will have a successor if it goes away. We also believe there are enough current interests to step in and continue to fund FF (though maybe not Mozilla) if Google's money goes away
@strangeculprits @kevinrns @Pineywoozle I have no idea what your Twitter comment meant - Firefox *is* the alternative that has paid labor. Floorp is cool, but a developer working on the margins isn't going to keep Gecko going if the upstream dies.
Where does your belief come from? Do you have any evidence to support it? For example, Igalia and Microsoft have contributed to Chromium. Google has contributed to WebKit and developed Blink.
Where is the extensive outside work coming to for Gecko?
Germany has The Sovereign Tech Fund
"The Sovereign Tech Fund supports the development, improvement, and maintenance of open digital infrastructure. Our goal is to sustainably strengthen the open source ecosystem."
It donates to open source free software, because its in high use throughout German states. I would advocate for more such models.
Your suggestions?
No thank you.
I dont how not only keeping all your info and logins, without even losing your open tabs(!!) is disruptive.
Taking uBlock away is a wake up call on how crappy a company it is, how unfree the browser is, how little they respect users.
No Thank you.
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@kevinrns but beware, there is no light without shadow: https://www.guidingtech.com/firefox-ad-tracking/
An app has to be configured properly for you needs. Elsewhere it fits the needs of others.
@kolya @kevinrns with no uniform naming of the "grouping of tabs" feature it's card to use a generic term… (and stacked tabs was initially an opera term if my memory is not failing me).
By the way I'm a firefox, chrome and vivaldi user but yes mainly vivaldi for the moment (I'm waiting for a tab grouping/stacking/whatever equivalent to land in firefox to come back to my beloved mozilla flavored browser !
@kevinrns all great but Mozilla is an advertising company now https://www.jwz.org/blog/2024/06/mozilla-is-an-advertising-company-now/
On the other hand, there aren’t many reasonable alternatives..
This seems completely normal and cool and not troublesome in any way. Mozilla has acquired Anonym, a [blah blah blah] raise the bar for the advertising industry [blah blah blah] while delivering effective advertising solutions. [...] Anonym was founded with two core beliefs: [blah blah blah] and second, that digital advertising is critical for the sustainability of free content, services and ...
I agree, tell them to stop, or ruder. They have responded to user anger in the past, and they are looking for ways to grow.
Be angry, demanding, watch for forks, join eff.org
@kevinrns and Waterfox gives you all that + no ads for Mozilla products & default settings that aren't set up to benefit advertisers. :)
@kevinrns Firefox is better, but I still unchecked this option for web site advertising preferences:
Attached: 1 image Reminder to all fellow Firefox users, they recently added and enabled privacy-invading ad bullshit in your settings Go to your privacy settings to remove it Edit: apparently it's ok at preserving privacy for now, but maybe I don't want to be helping ad companies
Oh absolutely, Firefox needs constant attention, this stupid mistake is just the latest.
But its miles ahead of the surveillance browsers
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