Does anyone *really* like "touch controls" on anything?

When you see "touch controls" on earbuds, lights, appliances... are you like "heck yeah! no buttons!"

I just think they are cheaper to make IPx4+ than other methods of control. But, they are always highlighted like it's a feature.

(And why is IPV6 so similar to IPX6 making me confuse them all the time?)

@futurebird No, I really dislike them, especially for monitors. I want a physical switch with a very weak LED power indicator to know that a device is on or off.
@pmcarlton @futurebird We’re talking about touch controls, but your LED thought is me 1000. The power button on my USB hub shouldn’t be a night light. My keyboard power light projects a two-foot circle on my ceiling.
@ladimir_kwiatkowski @pmcarlton @futurebird I used a modified xkb key map to disable the caps/scroll/num lock lights since I used a tweaked mousekeys setup and thus was usually in what is technically num lock on state
@futurebird they're cheaper to make, period, at this point. Many *extremely cheap* microcontrollers (like *pennies* cheap) have pins brought out for this purpose.
@futurebird I think its mostly just design fashion. Worst places I've seen besides cars: Espresso machines, washing machines, anywhere with moisture and steam.
@futurebird Definitely prefer buttons, too.
@futurebird I have to say the combo touch/click of the AppleTV remote (the aluminum one) is stunning. Anything that's doing relative work (lower/higher, louder/softer), as opposed to absolute -- where it's not to select or to specify — is great.
@futurebird My skin is frequently not conductive enough to make touch controls work in the first place so I thoroughly despise the things.
@DamonWakes @futurebird I have the same issue, so many phonecalls that I miss while simply sitting there trying to swipe up. Words cannot express how much i despise touch screen tech.
@alcootatooter @futurebird I find my phone generally alright, though waking it by tapping the screen can be a challenge (and I assume it's intentionally insensitive to stop false touches wasting battery). For me it's the cheap touch controls on devices that could so easily have real buttons that refuse to work at the worst possible times.
@DamonWakes @futurebird My kitchen stovetop is a good example of this.
@DamonWakes yesss. I swear the silicon valley designers have never considered a northern winter where the skin on your hands is so dry it cracks and touch controls just don't work. And gloves.
@Andrew Having once been unable to get into my emails because I'd travelled 50 miles from home and was using a new device, I feel as though the Silicon Valley approach to anything is essentially "It works at home, in the office, and in the car I use to move between them - all three places in the world!"
@futurebird I'm completely blind and I hate them, especially on appliances. just moved into a new place and the stove top is one of those induction jobs with touch controls. completely inaccessible. if I can't find some way to make some tactile distinctions then I can't cook on it at all. also not on your list but ATMs and self-service checkouts with touchscreens are a nightmare

@rain

There is heatproof tape used in electronics. Maybe tape a border around the areas?

Anyway that sucks.

@futurebird thanks, that's a good idea
@rain @futurebird either that or one of those plug-in single-ring induction things, little more expensive but prevents the "oh fuck what temp are we at" thing

@12 @rain

What is this gadget you speak of? It sounds interesting, but I don't know what you mean.

@futurebird @rain basically an induction cooktop plate that you can plug into the wall and use, portable little thing
@rain @futurebird maybe you could cut grip tape into different shapes to signify different operations, then apply those shapes over the control buttons on the appliance?

@futurebird

Accountants and investors *love* them because they're cheaper to make. Who cares what users prefer, right?

Although I have noticed that some car makers might have been listening and will NOT be following Tesla's lead and instead return to physical controls that can be felt while driving. It would be nice if other UI's did the same.

@Frances_Larina @futurebird just imagine if there was a keyboard that you could only touch without any physical keys. That would be a nightmare. Oh wait, they already exist.

@shane_gentle @futurebird

As someone who loves typing, that would really would be a nightmare for me. Typing is a stim and I love it.

@futurebird I love touch buttons in messy places. My oven has no seams to catch food in. I want a hotplate with touch controls for the same reason.

@futurebird I can't stand them, I used to be able to do things by feel while driving or adjust the washer dryer at night in dim or no light and now they demand full light and attention. Not to mention my cat can accidentally turn them on. This is not accessible to many people also.

The only use case I like is my bedside light where the entire base works, not just a tiny button, so sleepy me awakened in an emergency can just reach out and touch that thing to get light no fumbling.

@futurebird

This is an important question. Apparently it's now a 'feature' when cars have tactile buttons instead of touch controls. Because that's how terrible touch controls are.

@futurebird If the whole device doubles as a power button, like some lamps, I won't complain.

But I really want the device to be tactile, at least a little bit! I find it too easy to fatfinger things otherwise...

@futurebird I like smart phones and some DS games. Most everything else is fine-ish as long as it's (a) a supplement to actual physical button controls, not a replacement for them, and (b) unlikely to be activated accidentally. This is, unfortunately, not terribly common in my experience.
@futurebird One of the delights of having a 10-year-old car is that it still has buttons and knobs. I enjoy using dials to adjust the climate control and tune the fricking radio.

@futurebird I can’t stand touch controls.

I do some work in live audio. Using a mixer and a rack full of equipment with knobs, buttons and faders was so much nicer than touchscreen consoles.

Now… a lot of the automation is better now. But it doesn’t feel right.

Old school:

@futurebird watching a touch screen for a lighting console mysteriously do things without being touched.

@futurebird It depends. In my car or on a remote or something like that? Absolutely not.

The buttons on my stove, though? I actually like those being capacitive. So much easier to wipe down.

Also prefer them on ear wireless earbuds. The ones I had with physical buttons, I felt like I was driving them down into my ear canals when I operated them.

I think it really depends on the application and the thought and care that went into the design, and it's something that can be done well.

@futurebird If you have poor vision or damaged fingerprints, which isn’t that usual for manual labor workers, touch screens suck.
@futurebird a local gas station installed touch screens for the gas pumps, and they get so hot in the sun they’re hard to touch, but it doesn’t matter because the heat renders them inoperable anyway

@futurebird Standard push button and rotary HVAC (and other critical systems) in vehicles are priceless. Don't have to look away from road to hunt and find a minute icon buried three levels deep in a menu, just to lower fan speed, etc.

Think of pull-lever parking brake versus electo-button, or disappearance of key lock on passenger-side door. Gone. Because it's cheaper/easier for the manufacturer to produce.

So so much foisted in the name of convenience is really only driven by cost-cutting.

@futurebird give me buttons, the clickier the better! 🔘️
@futurebird part of why I’m hesitant to part with my 20 year old car is there is absolutely no touch screen involved. Everything can be controlled with tactile buttons and knobs without taking my eyes off the road
@futurebird i think i'd like them on earphones bc it's unpleasant to press a button on something that's in my ear. anywhere else i prefer physical buttons
@futurebird Lots of people with neuromuscular diseases and joint issues love touch controls, because physical buttons are often made way too difficult to press at all or cause pain in doing so. And yet, as evidenced by other comments here, other disabilities need physical buttons. This is why things should be designed with options and/or better designs that serve multiple needs!
@futurebird My car has all touch buttons, lots of them, plastered all down the center column under the touchscreen. It's all touch xcept the volume knob and it's super annoying. Want to turn up the fan? Run the risk of turning on the heated seats instead. Want to make the screen go to the climate menu? Nope, defrost is now on. Want to adjust anything without taking your eyes off the road? Hope you have a photographic memory and a steady hand.
@futurebird They can be nice on things like kitchen appliances that need to be waterproof or would otherwise be difficult to clean. Of course, sensitivity and placement needs to be such that the risk of accidental activation is low.
@futurebird
Love touch controls - there are no cracks to collect dust/gunge which are difficult to clean.

@futurebird

I want buttons I can feel, that need to be pressed to do something. Especially for headphones; most of my headphones listening, I have the lights off and my eyes closed. Also, having headphones change volume, turn on or off, etc, because my hair brushed something is horrid.

@futurebird Hate them. Always, always prefer tactile feedback.
@futurebird
I hate them. My husband plays guitar and has very callused fingertips. He gets very frustrated using touch control items. I find I am turning things on or off unintentionally when I pick something up that is touch control.
@futurebird Pro - something like Apple's touch mouse, where you have constant contact and visiual feedback, this works well. And phones fit this too I suppose.
Anti - pretty much everything else? Touch earbuds I've tried seem like they activated incorrectly as often as correctly, often with multiple attempts for intentional actions.
@futurebird it depends on the object and function. I used to have a pair of headphones with capacitive touch controls on the side hardcovers, I liked the ease of the controls, but they didn't have a lock, so they would get activated from the insides of a hood during rain from the internal heat.

@futurebird Tactile feedback is something I really value (and absolutely essential for visually impaired people), and touch controls do not have that. Give me buttons, switches, levers, dials... all the mechanical things!

I disabled the touch control on my headphones because I have no need to use them (between buttons and my phone), and all it does is get in the way if I leave them enabled.

@futurebird I complain about touch screens a lot. I absolutely hate them. Touch controls too. They're bloody awful. And no, making a noise when I touch one doesn't count as feedback as that's bloody irritating too.