Apropos to recent events in the literary world, I have written a long essay on why a) you should not idolize creative people, b) come to think of it, you shouldn't idolize anyone, c) holy fuck you really should not idolize ME.

https://whatever.scalzi.com/2024/08/15/please-dont-idolize-me-or-anyone-really/

Please Don’t Idolize Me (or Anyone, Really)

In the wake of the various recent allegations involving Neil Gaiman, people have been both very sad that someone who they looked up to as an inspiration has, allegedly, turned out to be something l…

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@scalzi Will the real John Scalzi please stand up? Please stand up?

Will the real John Scalzi please stand up? Please stand up? Please stand up?

@scalzi Public figures (at least those who generally come off as decent people) get held to impossibly high standards, and failing to meet those standards can come with very harsh, and often disproportionate, backlash. Obviously, there are some things that are bright lines, and those warrant noping out. But well-meaning people still exist in a fucked-up world, and that sometimes influences us to do the occasional fucked-up thing (this is especially true if one was raised in a fucked-up culture.)

@scalzi I've been very wary, especially since I became a parent, of gaining more of a public profile than I already have. There are a decent number of skeletons in my closet, and the people I want to enjoy my work would probably find some of them off putting. I don't want extra scrutiny or backlash affecting my kids just because of some questionable choices I made 20 years ago or w'ev.

Unfortunately, the thing I'm best at doing is also something that can't be a real career without some fame.

@scalzi We have seen the burritos, that probably helps with c 😉
@scalzi I do not idolize you, but I like your books a lot. It is a really nice bonus to have found out you are a humble and decent person. Well done!
@scalzi I am constantly annoyed at myself for falling into this trap of persona = person especially since I spent a frustratingly sizable amount of my life arguing that "total depravity" =/ "unreliable source of knowledge." (I've since just walked away being near people who get in that sort of argument much to my betterment.)
@scalzi Well there's goes my plans this weekend to create the giant popcorn idol to Mr. Scalzi...
@scalzi @mwl
I grew up in a family of writers and literary people were in and out of the house all the time. Big names you would know. I learned quickly that what they put to paper had little to do with their reality. There was the great novelist who had a mentally disabled son he treated like shit and told to “just man up”. The famous poet who fucked my 14-year-old best friend from school. And general petty megalomania and transparent self-aggrandizement all round.

@khoji @scalzi

You know, I quash anyone who tries to put me on a pedestal.

But as a human being, I guess I ain't doing too bad?

Writing is good for the soul. Fan worship is not.

@scalzi we're trained so hard in school to have "heroes" and it has always bugged me.

@scalzi Yup, and one take-away was this: "You don’t know everything even about your parents or siblings or best friends or your partner"

When my late sis and I were doing genealogy research of the family, she discovered that although my dad's parents were 'ramrod-up-the-jacksie' and very 'Victorian' in attitudes, my dad's birth was registered 6 months after they married!

So no, we do not know everyone else's back-story!

@scalzi Oo oo - and back in the late 70s, for varius reasons I was living at my mother's parents place. One morning my grand-dad brought me the statutory cup of tea in the morning and was *horrified* that there was a young woman in bed with me. Wouldn't speak to me for hours. Then my Nan said, "It's OK. I reminded him about the time when we were courting and he was caught dark o'clock at night climbing into my bedroom. He'll be fine!"
@scalzi Spot on about plumbers. Life would be very unpleasant without good plumbers. At best.
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Wait, we can carve out an exception for #TerryPrachett right? I mean "The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short and the pen is very sharp" still stands I hope.
@Krosen_nw @scalzi Have you read his biography, A life with Footnotes? Because I love #Pterry's works with the best of them, but there are times in that biography he comes across as a total arse. And I think a lot people who knew him, could probably admit that he had his many failings too and being a thin skinned jackass at times was certainly one of them. Hopefully none of them were Gaiman level though.
@CrypticMirror Thanks for setting the record straight. I'll admit to having read all of his works but never have looked into his private life.
@Krosen_nw @CrypticMirror Isn't that the point that there isn't "that one successful creative guy who they think or at least hope isn’t hiding a cellar full of awful actions," because we are all human and all of us have failings.

@scalzi This was a solid and refreshingly honest piece. It's understandable, to an extent, that when someone creates something that speaks to you on a personal level you form a sentimental connection with the material that extends to the person, because you feel that this person understands you in a very specific way. But there's a difference between being inspired by someone and putting them on a pedestal and expecting them to live up to impossible standards, and to single-handedly prove to you the goodness of all humanity with their every word and action.

There are people in the public eye with excellent public personas who do horrible things behind closed doors, and when something like that happens disillusionment is inevitable, but losing faith in people in general because that one person you never met, and who doesn't know you exist, wasn't who you expected them to be, isn't healthy. There are also people in the public eye who may come off as aloof or abrasive, but might be sweet, kind, empathetic, even awkward and shy when you meet them in real life. I know I've met at least one. Tl;dr you don't really know someone until you meet them, and humans are flawed and imperfect, and even good folks have bad days and make bad decisions, so parasocially expecting someone to be infallible is never, ever a good idea.

@scalzi @jacob what he says.
The problem is not people who abuse their idol status, the problem is their idol status in the first place.
@scalzi This is great. Two things I've often said: F*ck idols. And (more caustically than you) "Artists generally aren't very smart about things aside from making great art." Beethoven would be on the short list for "greatest asshole of western civilization." And I'm sure you're a nice guy, but I'm not putting you on a pedestal :-) (I think we met somewhere, once--An AI conference?)
@scalzi I idolize Optimus Prime. As a fictional character that has multiple iterations, I can use that flexible framework to help decide the first and best solution to my problem.
@scalzi
I think the core issue is fans mistakenly believing only a good person can have deep insight into the human condition. Fans love art that gives them insight, so they assume the creator of that art must be a good person. When the artist turns out to have terrible flaws, it makes fans question the meaning they got from the work. That's a much greater blow than just discovering your hero has feet of clay.
@scalzi ::quietly disassembles altar in secret room::
@scalzi what a noble and upstanding thing to say...

@scalzi

Thanks for this.

This quote in particular is useful outside the context of idolizing other humans:
"But none of us — not one! — has always lived up to our own standard of behavior, and all of us have had the moment where, when confronted with a situation that would become an immense pain in the ass if we stuck to our guns, or demanded the inconvenient truth, decided to just bail instead, because the situation wasn’t worth the drama, or we had somewhere else to be, or whatever."

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Brian: I'm not the Messiah! Will you please listen? I am not the Messiah, do you understand? Honestly!

Girl: Only the true Messiah denies His divinity.

@scalzi i think your point in the screenshot means that OP has a valid point. You answer the question of “what would Scalzi do?”, in a way that means we don’t need to put you on a pedestal
@scalzi People can only become holy after death in Roman Catholicism and afaik similar for other faiths too. For good reason.
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This post is so uplifting, I'm gonna get it tattooed on my butt.
@scalzi I won't idolize you unless you become a jpop or kpop idol.
@scalzi A fine essay. Two minor notes: It *is* possible for s0mebody to lie pretty much constantly and be a consistently awful person. (Need I name names?) And because I didn't happen to read OSC when I was younger...I can't really read him now.
@waltcrawford Wait - who is OSC?
@mtechman Orson Scott Card. Noted in other responses, I think.
@waltcrawford woops, sorry, I missed it....thx!
@scalzi
I do not idolize you. I simply enjoy your writing!
@scalzi oh course… I’m not worthy to idolize you 🤣
@scalzi Ooookay, Grandpa’s dead, so I guess it’s time to buy a church and some weird-ass guitars 😄

@MichaelPorter @scalzi That's it, I'm starting the Sacred Church of Scalzi, except I'm gonna spell it SkalZ; the SkalZ icon will look nothing like John; the backstory will be an electrician turned successful writer (of textbooks) and it's going to involve Fusilli.

Oh and bad "now do you Fusilli?" jokes.

@alan @scalzi Make sure there are some lighting bolts and superfluous umlauts in that logo 😄🤟⚡️
@alan @scalzi (In case anyone asks about the guitars 😉)
@scalzi Okay, so what you're saying is, every time I'm faced with a choice, I should ask myself: What Would Krissy Think? and go from there. Got it! 😁🖖🤘
@scalzi you can't win: your very reply confirmed the basis of his original choice 🤣
@scalzi I think you’re a cool guy who really knows how to tell a story, but I will not be getting your face tattooed on my body.
@BoomerNerd It would just look like a marshmallow with eyebrows, really, what's the point