Tim BrayAug 12, 2024

This is gross, and further confirms Apple’s transition from innovation to rent-seeking, but there is a good solution: Stop having an app. Patreon would work just fine as a web site, no?

https://mas.to/@carnage4life/112950113668058280

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Dare Obasanjo (@[email protected])

Attached: 1 image Apple has informed Patreon that it will be kicked out of the App Store unless it pays the 30% tax for all donations. Patreon has started a migration process that will take until November 2025 to transition all creators to the Apple billing system and making less money. https://techcrunch.com/2024/08/12/apple-says-patreon-must-switch-to-its-billing-system-or-risk-removal-from-app-store/

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Show threadjwzAug 12, 2024
@timbray Do not let Patreon off the hook on this. This is their decision.
Show threadJeff AtwoodAug 12, 2024
@jwz @timbray I can't see how "stop having an iOS app" is letting them off the hook?
Show threadsuldrew 🚲🏳️‍🌈Aug 12, 2024
@codinghorror @jwz @timbray I am convinced that the REAL reason they are doing this is that they have less churn from "subscriptions" (daily charging) because people don't review their subs monthly as often. Otherwise they'd let us co-term our licenses.
Show threadjwzAug 12, 2024
@suldrew @codinghorror @timbray They clearly have some incentive (which I do not fully understand) to get away from "charge bundling", which seemed at first to be their biggest strength. This is absolutely a play that accomplishes that. See the last half of: https://siderea.dreamwidth.org/1824441.html
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Show threadJes WolfeAug 12, 2024
@jwz @suldrew @codinghorror @timbray when I worked at Patreon ten years ago, it was well understood that payment bundling was the major platform advantage, and that it meant that network effects of everyone joining the same service meant transaction fees went down. features that caused one-off charges were very rare for that reason
Show threadJes WolfeAug 12, 2024
@jwz @suldrew @codinghorror @timbray I bet it makes the payment processors uncomfortable, though, and Patreon has never been big enough to stand up to pressure from Paypal or Visa (or, now, Apple)
Show threadjwzAug 12, 2024
@jes5199 @suldrew @codinghorror @timbray Right? Pressure from the interchange mafiosi seems like the only possible explanation?
Show threadsuldrew 🚲🏳️‍🌈
@jwz @jes5199 @codinghorror @timbray they gotta get their vig
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