Tim BrayAug 12, 2024

This is gross, and further confirms Apple’s transition from innovation to rent-seeking, but there is a good solution: Stop having an app. Patreon would work just fine as a web site, no?

https://mas.to/@carnage4life/112950113668058280

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Dare Obasanjo (@[email protected])

Attached: 1 image Apple has informed Patreon that it will be kicked out of the App Store unless it pays the 30% tax for all donations. Patreon has started a migration process that will take until November 2025 to transition all creators to the Apple billing system and making less money. https://techcrunch.com/2024/08/12/apple-says-patreon-must-switch-to-its-billing-system-or-risk-removal-from-app-store/

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Show threadjwzAug 12, 2024
@timbray Do not let Patreon off the hook on this. This is their decision.
Show threadJeff AtwoodAug 12, 2024
@jwz @timbray I can't see how "stop having an iOS app" is letting them off the hook?
Show threadjwzAug 12, 2024
@codinghorror @timbray Patreon decided that not having an iOS app was so unacceptable that they're fucking over their customers instead. This is as much Patreon behaving badly as it is Apple behaving badly.
Show threadJeff AtwoodAug 12, 2024
@jwz @timbray how many bigcos intentionally forgo an iOS app, though? Like who could you point to that has done this before?
Show threadjwzAug 12, 2024
@codinghorror Why should I give even a fractional fuck about that? Do I look like a VC or a Patreon board member to you?
Show threadAlex Markley
@jwz @codinghorror as one of the (barely) affected Patreon creators, I sure would love to have a toggle that just opts my creator page out of the iOS app completely and forever. The fact that that toggle does not exist definitely says a lot about the amount of respect Patreon has for my business.
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Show threadJoe ❌👑Aug 12, 2024

@alex @jwz @codinghorror Perhaps, but Patreon may also be constrained by the draconian app store rules. Apps have been banned just for letting Apple folks know that there are other payment options.

But yes, just leaving the app store is an option.

Show threadjwzAug 12, 2024
@not2b @alex @codinghorror "We no longer have an iOS app, we have a web site" was a choice that was always available to them. Instead of the open web, they chose complicity.
Show threadJoe ❌👑Aug 12, 2024
@jwz @alex @codinghorror Agreed. And they might eventually do that.
Show threadAlex MarkleyAug 12, 2024

@not2b @jwz @codinghorror That doesn’t make sense to me. I have jumped through the Apple App Store hoops, I know how they work.

If my Patreon supporters are MY customers, then I should be able to have all traces of my content omitted from the iOS app. The only mental model where that doesn’t work is if they are customers of Patreon FIRST and my customers second.

Show threadMaestro MushiAug 12, 2024
@codinghorror @alex @jwz you could always troll the owner’s bands on YouTube, but that’s kind of rude… I actually think that it’s one of the few platforms that still works with the actual creators in mind (except for that little stint where they tried to expel sex workers)
Show threadAlex MarkleyAug 12, 2024
@Mushi @codinghorror @jwz I agree, that would be a rude approach and not something I would endorse.