Sam StephensonAug 12, 2024
Steve Troughton-Smith
The dynamics of the Patreon thing are actually *incredible*. Apple, taking 30%, will be making effectively 6x as much as *Patreon* will on every transaction for creators who are on the grandfather plan. Whatever value Apple brings, does anybody think it's *six times* the developer it's stealing from? What the actual fuck
Aug 12, 2024 at 5:32pmIvory for Mac
Show threadTom HaywardAug 12, 2024
@stroughtonsmith at this point I'm surprised that Apple aren't claiming 30% of transfers made in banks' apps.
Except they wouldn't, because Apple decision makers use banks, but presumably don't live from Patreon :/
Show threadtowoAug 23, 2024
@hattom @stroughtonsmith And Apple needs banks to play pall with regard to Apple Pay
Show threadNickAug 12, 2024
@stroughtonsmith People need to migrate to LiberaPay. These platforms are getting super fucking greedy.
Show threadJohannes ヨハネスAug 12, 2024
@stroughtonsmith I can’t wait for John Gruber’s attempt at justifying this 🍿
Show threadjohnaldisAug 13, 2024
@johjakob @stroughtonsmith I’m not the John you called out here, but IMHO this 30% is the cost of doing business as an app (for a paid service). Now, also IMHO, that cost is unsustainable for Patreon’s business model (not that I know anything about Patreon’s finances but it certainly doesn’t seem to fit with the percentage *they* take). How much would it cost Patreon to pull their app and only be available on the web? Would it really be 3/10 of their custom?
Show threadjohnaldisAug 13, 2024
@johjakob @stroughtonsmith (Having Patreon as an app is also good for the iPhone—is it worth 30% of Patreon’s on-platform revenue to Apple? Maybe not, and in that case it probably doesn’t need to be an app.)
Show threadMister Moo 🐮Aug 12, 2024
@stroughtonsmith One person thinks that. His name is Phil Schiller and he lies for a living.
Show threadHeather HAug 12, 2024

@stroughtonsmith
Apple isn't the only parasite in town. Let's start a movement to get people to spend their money as close to the source as possible. Buy books directly from the authors, music directly from the artists, products directly from the manufacturer, and patronages directly from the creator when possible.

As for sites like Patreon, always manage your support directly from the website. Apple, Amazon, et. al. have siphoned enough out of the economy.

#ShopTheSource

Show threadRobAug 13, 2024
@stroughtonsmith Apple looking for another fine from the EU
Show threadHeals Aug 13, 2024

@stroughtonsmith do you actually want an answer to that question that includes all the infrastructure and management most of the the app publishers offer or is it just a "look how low Patreon can go for offering you a CMS and a frontpage” kinda question?

Because right now you're comparing apples (no pun intended) and pears and even if that was a good thing you should add in the other fruit mixes that are google, Epic, Steam and any other content publisher which all charge more than Patreon while offering more than a landing page and a blog for you to post limited content.

Show threadSteve Troughton-SmithAug 13, 2024
@heals I wasn’t asking a question, no
Show threadCassandraVertAug 14, 2024
@stroughtonsmith
That's why I closed my ebay store in 2008. They doubled their sales fees, and I calculated they'd be netting out more than I was.