When the company calls their home appliances "smart", what I hear is:

- they spent money on features I don't care about
- those features will be worse than standalone devices but will drive them out of market (looking at you TVs)
- the appliance is more likely to break
- my data is likely being sold to advertisers
- when the company loses interest in it and cut support, I will need to buy a new device

So no, I don't want "smart" home appliances.

If I buy a TV, I want a TV that shows channels and to which I can plug other devices to watch the other stuff.

If I buy speakers, I want to connect whatever I have to them and not risk remote bricking of devices by manufacturer.

@hamatti Other people have other use cases. I *don't* want a TV that "shows channels" as that would be no use to me as I don't have a TV licence. I want a TV that plays DVDs (and yes, I accept that that's via another device) and shows stuff from the internet (and I don't see why that should need another device, it's only software and the telly already has a computer in it).
@TimWardCam @hamatti non UK readers might not understand the concept of a "TV licence". In Britain, you can't watch TV until you've taken the Television Aptitude Test, or TAT, which gauges your understanding of BBC4 arts programmes, your ability to follow long running soaps in a regional dialect, and whether or not you laugh at Ant and Dec.
@rvkennedy @hamatti Well, I wouldn't qualify. Never heard of BBC4, never heard of Ant and Dec. But I do know the "long running soap in a regional dialect"- that's The Archers, for which no TV licence is required seeing as how it's on the radio not the telly.
@TimWardCam @rvkennedy @hamatti
Almost everything on BBC Sounds is available to me in France without a licence and no fee. I can pick up LW in Normandy as well which is ok until cricket season.
I'd be happy to pay a licence fee in the UK if I could pick up television as well.
@rvkennedy @TimWardCam Does Dirk Gently count as BBC4 arts program? If it does, I might qualify ๐Ÿ˜‚
@hamatti @TimWardCam the Stephen Mangan original? I believe so! Might be time to book that test!
@hamatti @rvkennedy Dirk Gently is on Netflix, no licence required.

@TimWardCam @rvkennedy Yeah, that's the new one with Samuel Barnett. Which was also good.

The original one from BBC4 was made a bit earlier and stars Stephen Mangan https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2303367/

Dirk Gently books are so great.

Dirk Gently (TV Series 2010โ€“2012) โญ 7.6 | Comedy, Crime, Mystery

58m

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@rvkennedy @TimWardCam @hamatti As a USian, am genuinely unsure whether you are joking.

@rvkennedy

By "regional dialect", I assume you mean "from around London".

@TimWardCam @hamatti

@rvkennedy @TimWardCam @hamatti I understand that you can have your license suspended if you laugh at shows such as "The Brass Eye"

@TimWardCam Yeah, we all like different things.

TV manufacturers won't support their streaming apps for as long as the tv functions. So when they stop updating, your smart tv won't show Youtube or Disney+ or whatever service anymore. Then you need to replace your tv even though the display device would be good for years.

And worse, when some of them stop working, it may make the entire smart tv software stop working or get annoying to use.

@hamatti Yeah, I know. Or ... one could keep the TV and buy an external device to replace the dead services.
@TimWardCam @hamatti
Our main TV is "smart", or would be if I'd ever connected it to the network. It still picks up broadcast TV, and there's an external box (actually a fireTV) for all the apps and other stuff. Been bitten by TV manufacturers dropping support for apps so often that I didn't even bother trying these ones.

@TimWardCam That's why I don't want those services internally in the first place because they absolutely *will* break.

@hamatti

@wonka @TimWardCam And the TV software isn't designed to gracefully work when services start to fail but will become an annoyance to work with.
@TimWardCam @hamatti I have recently read about smart TVs even being bricked (in the sense that you can't really use it for anything anymore) if you don't accept some updated EULA or if some "upgrade" goes wrong. It does not become "dumb" either. You lose access to a device you have paid for.

@TimWardCam @hamatti But why would you need software running that's connected via the internet to play DVDs or even Bluerays?

All of this was long possible without running deprecated forks of Android on our TVs.

@thejackimonster @hamatti I wouldn't. I "would need software running that's connected via the internet" to play content that's on the internet, such as Netflix.
@TimWardCam @hamatti any of the "smart" TVs can do that. You might want to change the launcher if you find the "Google TV" launcher obnoxious.
@hamatti Related: as much as I really love my Sony neckband Bluetooth headphones (that they don't make anymore because people prefer the tiny ones that run out of battery after an hour and fall out of your ears and get lost) I don't like that they *only* work with an app. It's Bluetooth, they should work with anything that has Bluetooth audio. Sure, have an app to change settings, but it shouldn't be required, and it definitely shouldn't need an account on their servers.

@hamatti Note that a speaker maker cannot brick the actual speaker hardware itself, and cannot interact with it if it is never allowed internet access.

The next three paragraphs concern options available to be because of my prior history building guitar amps and pirate radio transmitters.

A bricked "smart speaker" can be torn down, you are guaranteed to be able to re-use the case, the physical speakers inside, possibly the amplifiers and power supplies.

In my case, I could make powered wired speakers rather easily using "op-amp" chips or even discrete transistors. From a bricked or useless without the app smart speaker I would already have everything but the circuit board.

If you have a device with no speaker or headphone jacks, a cheap, no-app bluetooth speaker could be used as a receiver to drive big unpowered speakers using a car stereo amp to power them.

Everything under this is for anyone, no soldering iron required:

First things first: no firmware updates (including bricking your device) can be pushed to a device that is isolated from the global Internet. Printers, speakers etc should be denied access to wifi passwords, and if networked should be networked to a second network card in one computer creating an online network that does not share the Internet connection. That way the manufacturer cannot see the device, the device cannot phone home, and there is no data to sell. Your printer doesn't get the "update" to block third party ink and your speaker cannot serve you ads.

If you want a TV for watching DVD's only, use a standalone computer monitor, these do not contain tuners and should not be subject to any nation's TV taxes etc. If you are not using an RF tuner, a TV is just an overpriced monitor with added antifeatures. I do not have a TV and don't use ad supported or paid streaming services either, so a bare monitor is all I need. Someone else noted here that if you need a big screen you can use a projector.

Any device that uses an app, the cost of a non-activated phone denied Internet access to host that app needs to be considered part of the cost of the device. If the device won't work without an account on the maker's server or won't work when disconnected from the Internet, take it back for a refund. That why I don't buy Mavic drones, though in all fairness those are supposed to be able to run in a short-range, R/C only mode like an entry level drone or cheap R/C plane does without the app.

I would never use the dedicated streaming devices. I don't have any of the relevent accounts or want them, and do not allow ad supported shit into my life.

@hamatti I'm already at the point that I don't even want my TV to show channels. I just want a big monitor with good image quality and multiple ports to connect my own devices to it.

TV itself has already been killed by offerings via internet. So at this point, I just need a low-power SPC with free software on it that can decode video and I'm good.

I would also be fine with the TV itself running free software. But I doubt this will happen any time soon.