Losing your virginity, sex and reproduction for what I’ve seen.

The need to put up with other people’s shit. Sacrifice your “me” time.

Very incel way of looking at relationship.

I don’t hate women. So no.

Incel doesn’t exactly only mean hating woman, incel is basically why you’re still single, then you blame it on everything else other than you, hating woman are just a part of it. If someone doesn’t want to accept your way of living, then find someone else.

I’m not blaming anything. I’m well aware what an average semi attractive woman wants from a man. I will never be those things. That’s not me, I never cared about being those things.

I will never be those things.

Before I was in a relationship, I was 100% wrong about what “those things” actually are, for what that’s worth.

You’re a minority.

So, have you been in past relationships where you learned this or from some sort of observation (going on dates for example)?

I’ve never been in a relationship. I know this by proxy, average, heard things, data.

So is your relationship abstinence due to striking out because your personality or idea of relationships doesn’t fit the norm and you can’t find a suitable partner, or has your perception of relationships kept you from pursuing relationships entirely?

You basically asked the same thing again. I’m not a good candidate, I don’t have a job and when I had one was low income, I’m not social at all, i hate going out to do fun stuff, I don’t want to engage or entangle with “her family”, I don’t drive or own a car, I don’t have my own place, I’m not physically strong or good looking and I don’t care about being it. I’m not charming or romantic and hate conversations. Would you date me if I you were a girl? No right? That’s my point.

I didn’t ask the same question, and you avoided answering mine which was: have you tried or have you just considered yourself a failure?

I became friends with a guy like you, and I had money so I took him places and paid for things because we had fun together. Your situation isn’t hopeless, but your attitude is. Yes, if you want to have a relationship, you do have to be personable because that’s the only way someone would want to hang out with you. You listed all the negative things about your situation but nothing about your hobbies, what you like to do. Okay, you don’t like to “go out and have fun” but do you like to stay in and have fun? My friend and I often played video games together, is that an option?

There are detriments on your list that sound negative not only to a potential partner, but to you. Do you want to have a job? Do you want to have your own place? If so, what’s stopping you? I know you were reading that ex-incel post, so you know many people started by focusing on what they wanted to improve in their lives and forgetting about relationships. You are in a negative place, and I will bet that it’s not just about relationships but about yourself.

Btw, my friend is in a poly relationship now, got his GED, moved to his own place, went to trade school, and works at a news station. The most important thing is he is more confident, comfortable with himself as he is, and happy. It’s not impossible, but you do have to do the work.

You’ll probably have an angry response to this, but I don’t want anyone to think they are a lost cause because that’s what their brain is saying and how society makes them feel, so I just wanted to say something.

Angry? I’m just saying the truth. I like videogames but that’s hardly anything majority of women like, majority haven’t even playing anything in their lives. And honestly no, I don’t want to “improve” or change myself into being another person. I dunno what ged is, I’m guessing it’s studies, I had only make it up to middle school. You think I’m a failure, I don’t care.

Where did I say you were a failure? I am just trying to help. But it seems, as angry as you come off on the internet, you are happy with all the things you listed as detrimental to having a partner, which is fine. It’s just so odd that someone so opposed to having a relationship because they are happy with they way they are would even get so involved in a discussion on relationships with no real experience on the topic.

Though I will say, that the fact that you don’t want to improve yourself at all would be a red flag against me dating you. I believe that we should strive to improve ourselves every day - to become better people than we were before - because when you stay the same, you stagnate, which is not beneficial to your health or mental wellbeing.

Anyway, have a great life, good luck! I hope you get everything you deserve in life! ✌️

I’ve never said I’m happy. I’m fucked. But that’s the way things are

And your defeatist attitude will keep you there. Again, good luck. 👍

Is just facts, so I’m a defeatist because I don’t wanna fit?

You are a defeatist because you are unhappy and unwilling to do anything about it.

And that’s the last I’m saying. I just can’t bother with someone who wants to keep talking like the world is the way it is and there’s nothing you can do to change it.

There’s not

You don’t want to be happy?

Changing your environment is a middle class luxury, do you think poor people have the luxury of “start over again” moving and stuff, that bs is from your Hollywood movies.

It would certainly help. “Change your environment” doesn’t necessarily mean “move”. Getting a job counts. Surrounding yourself with people who have healthy thought patterns counts. Redecorating your room counts.