This needs to be shared to the entire fediverse.
@jairajdevadiga @PaulaToThePeople lmao yeah, Trump and the rest of the fascists who shriek about immigrants, “migrant caravans” etc are SOCIALISTS?
Okay, but for real, what’s your favorite flavor of paint since you seem to eat so many chips?
@DMTea @PaulaToThePeople Yes, Republicans are, in fact, socialists of the national variety.
You people hate them not because you are different, but because you are so alike.
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@ZachWeinersmith might disagree with that
@jairajdevadiga @darwinwoodka @PaulaToThePeople In my experience among groups of open movement advocates, the majority are:
1) Free market libertarians who see borders as inefficient
2) Econ geeks with a similar view, but less rooted in a ra-ra-freedom mentality
3) Socialists who oppose nation states blocking the free movement of people.
We're about 3% of the population, so it's not people with typical politics.
@ZachWeinersmith @darwinwoodka @PaulaToThePeople I belong mostly to the second group, but I have seen socialists opposing immigration using the same "they took our jobs" argument as the far right.
They also frequently complain about outsourcing to countries like India, which is functionally equivalent to immigration.
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It's mostly conservatives who oppose free migration. (Unless you count reactionaries or fascists, who might oppose it even more.)
Progressives are way more open to the idea.
@billiglarper @PaulaToThePeople Conservatives are simply right wing socialists.
As for the so called progressives, they do nothing to ease restrictions when they get elected to power. In fact, they often increase restrictions as I pointed out in one of the other comments.
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You seem to use a political coordinate system I am not familiar with. Or you seem to think of other examples than I do. Not sure I can follow your line of thought.
Agreed. The original post is a nice example of telling people what they want to hear.
Most capitalist entrepreneurs don't mind exploiting their workforce, and immigrant workers are especially easy to exploit for various reasons. And worker scarcity drives wages, so that's another reason they should like a larger workforce to recruit from.
(I'm not a fan of capitalism, and think that shares and dividends are a burden on society.)
"They reap the benefits of capitalism, only to turn around and criticize it. Capitalism: The worst economic system, except for all the others." -Winston Churchill
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yeah he never said that but good try!
http://andrewsigal.blogspot.com/2019/11/capitalism-is-worst-economic-system.html?m=1
Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those other forms that have been tried from…
I think that tenacity is also unfortunately the reason why xenophobes jump straight to crimes against humanity as their preferred method for addressing the situation. Someone that crosses war zones, jungles, deserts, and seas is by definition fleeing something far worse than all those things put together, and won't be deterred by anything less than atrocities. Once they've made the decision to flee their homes and families and cross the Sahara or the Darien Gap, there isn't anything less than near-certain extermination that would deter them. It's why xenophobic Europeans cheer FRONTEX on when they drown dozens of migrants and refugees at a time, and why xenophobic Americans cheer when Trump promises to use the military to round up millions of immigrants and other undesirables into concentration camps.
The obvious alternatives would include things like trying to address the root cause of their need to flee their countries of origin (e.g., war, climate change-triggered famine and poverty, persecution, corrupt authoritarianism) alongside adopting immigrant-friendly policies to drive our own economies, but the xenophobes are too greedy, short-sighted, prejudiced, and stupid to consider that.
@PaulaToThePeople True words. I live among immigrants ... I am married to one ... I AM one, though I'm a white man so I don't feel the effect of xenophobia ...
Thankfully neither of us had to take risks with our lives to get here in South Africa. What Syrian and Afghan migrants go through is heartbreaking.
But my wife is made to feel unwelcome just the same, mainly by the bureaucracy, much less frequently by ordinary citizens.
It shouldn't be necessary to justify the existence of real people by their mere economic value, but it almost goes without saying that my Zimbabwean and Malawian friends are vitally productive, and support huge private family economies all over the world. But they're also just good people! Anyone would want my migrant friends as colleagues, neighbours and friends.
@PaulaToThePeople Yeah, that's a huge "accomplishment" of conditioning.
Yet capitalism is also guilty of making people feel inadequate and never enough. Thus we're always struggling to be more productive, buy more products and accumulate more money.
In fact billionaires are often the poorest as they have never enough. Despite their billions they still compulsively hoard and accumulate more to finally have enough and feel safe. Yet that will never work.
You have/are enough now! You're free!
@onreact Yeah, somehow those who are supposed to be the winners of a bad system are never happy either.
Whether they are rich capitalists, sexist men, white racists or proud cishets.
They all fear all the false dangers they invented and they fear marginalized people taking what they deserve.
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