PaulaToThePeople 😷I think the biggest coup that #capitalism ever scored, was to make people believe that humans who made it out of an active war zone, crossed a desert and rowed a shitty rubber raft over an ocean are dangerously lazy freeloaders, while people who inherit billions from exploitative ancestors and never pay any taxes deserve praise and then called that an "achievement oriented society".
Jairaj Devadiga@PaulaToThePeople It's the socialists who oppose free migration and open borders. The most popular book about open borders is by Bryan Caplan, who is a free market economist (and illustrated by Zach Weinersmith).
🌿Mouse-Friend🌿@jairajdevadiga @PaulaToThePeople It's a fun thing about language that you can really just put any words you like in any order, even if that resulting sentence has no bearing on reality at all.
DMTea@jairajdevadiga @PaulaToThePeople lmao yeah, Trump and the rest of the fascists who shriek about immigrants, “migrant caravans” etc are SOCIALISTS?
Okay, but for real, what’s your favorite flavor of paint since you seem to eat so many chips?
@DMTea @PaulaToThePeople Yes, Republicans are, in fact, socialists of the national variety.
You people hate them not because you are different, but because you are so alike.
Darwin Woodka@jairajdevadiga @PaulaToThePeople
@ZachWeinersmith might disagree with that
@darwinwoodka @PaulaToThePeople @ZachWeinersmith He illustrated the book. I doubt he would do so if he disagreed with its contents.
Zach Weinersmith@jairajdevadiga @darwinwoodka @PaulaToThePeople In my experience among groups of open movement advocates, the majority are:
1) Free market libertarians who see borders as inefficient
2) Econ geeks with a similar view, but less rooted in a ra-ra-freedom mentality
3) Socialists who oppose nation states blocking the free movement of people.
We're about 3% of the population, so it's not people with typical politics.
@ZachWeinersmith @darwinwoodka @PaulaToThePeople I belong mostly to the second group, but I have seen socialists opposing immigration using the same "they took our jobs" argument as the far right.
They also frequently complain about outsourcing to countries like India, which is functionally equivalent to immigration.
@jairajdevadiga @darwinwoodka @PaulaToThePeople Yes, agreed. I dunno enough about the variations in socialism to know why some people are internationalist in this sense and some aren't. My sense is some are more oriented around local institutions, e.g. the local unions, and some are more oriented around abstractions, e.g. universal brotherhood.
Billiglarper@jairajdevadiga @PaulaToThePeople
It's mostly conservatives who oppose free migration. (Unless you count reactionaries or fascists, who might oppose it even more.)
Progressives are way more open to the idea.
@billiglarper @PaulaToThePeople Conservatives are simply right wing socialists.
As for the so called progressives, they do nothing to ease restrictions when they get elected to power. In fact, they often increase restrictions as I pointed out in one of the other comments.
@jairajdevadiga @PaulaToThePeople
You seem to use a political coordinate system I am not familiar with. Or you seem to think of other examples than I do. Not sure I can follow your line of thought.
vv221It's the socialists who oppose free migration and open borders.
Then they stole the "socialism" word to pervert its meaning. When you are against the free movement of human beings, you no longer deserve to be called "socialist".
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Then they stole the "socialism" word to pervert its meaning. When you are against the free movement of human beings, you no longer deserve to be called "socialist".
CC: @[email protected]