More from #POTUS’ “Black jobs” arc re MVP #KamalaHarris:
“She’s not only a great vice president, she could be president of the United States!”
Other great #Biden lines:
“Truman said you want a friend in Washington, get a dog. Guess what? After the last couple of weeks, I know what he means.”
“Sandy Hook & Uvalde, concert goers in Las Vegas. You're going to be outspoken on one, don’t be silent on others.” #GunControl
#BlackVotesMatter #NAACP #jobs #labor #economy #BidenHarris2024
“Let me say this again, because #Trump is lying like hell about it. Black #unemployment hit a record low under the #BidenHarris administration”
“We’re going to end #medical #debt… I'm working with states to wipe out #MedicalDebt for pennies on the dollar.”
“I have been young, & now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken.”
Full #NAACP speech:
https://youtu.be/nLdcEE_SGPQ?si=ZN-GgKC9m-GbbWPB
It's the big donors withholding their PAC contributions that Carville was talking about, but not because they're worried about tax rates.
They well understand that they will do very well with Democrats in control regardless of near term marginal tax rates and that Trump will likely screw everything up.
They are legitimately worried and think they know what is best for the Party and the country.
Are they right?
No one can possibly know. There are way too many variables.
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@kwheaton @joeinwynnewood @Nonilex I'm honestly curious how long you will keep this up.
As we get further away from the debate some things are becoming clear:
1) Biden is fine. His debate performance was a one-off event.
2) Polling is back to where it was before the debate. Tied.
3) The leaders of "Replace Biden" are centrists & moneyed elite who are consistently wrong about politics since forever.
4) Replace Biden doesn't want Harris either. (See 3)
There are a lot of people who are not in the cohort of your #3 who very much disagree with #1. Listen to Pod Save America's Monday pod. Those guys are neither centrist nor monied elite (they are political elite).
Also, let me know when the number of Democrats polled on whether or not Biden is too old to be an effective president for another term falls below 50%.
On #2 if you define "tied" as "within the margin of error", ...
@joeinwynnewood @kwheaton @Nonilex Pod Save are Obama guys. The definition of the centrist/money side of the party.
The problem for Replace is that we had a primary where real, physical people voted overwhelmingly for Biden. Now, you would throw some 14 million *actual votes* out in favor of random sampling polling?
When was the last time public polling firms asked this question after the primaries were decided? Never is the answer. The question is, at its core, undemocratic.
@joeinwynnewood @kwheaton @Nonilex Biden isn't dropping out, and the will of the Democratic primary voters must be respected.
As a practical matter, the Replace Biden movement has failed. This is the single biggest piece of information that shows that Biden is the best choice.
I understand some people doubting biden's fitness for this campaign. But there's no question he whooped the people who tried to replace him.
They're not Obama guys, they're political guys. As they said on that podcast, they love Biden and know lots of people currently working on his campaign. Moreover, by and large they're not policy guys, they're experienced political operatives. That's what they know and why their analysis is worth paying attention to.
Re: now you would...
Did you read all of my reply?
I never said I'd "do" anything.
I did question your polling evidence and cited salient contrary ...
evidence -
https://apnorc.org/projects/most-say-biden-should-withdraw-from-the-presidential-race/
And, you don't know that it's over. There's still conversations going on in the Senate & House caucuses and elsewhere.
It won't be over until we have a convention delegate confirmed nominee.
@joeinwynnewood @kwheaton @Nonilex Did you read *my* reply? Show me the July 2012 polling for whether Obama should drop out of the race. The July 2004 polling on whether Bush should drop out.
There's no such polling. It's a nonsense poll. And it doesn't matter because it's not a public question.
What would be your reaction to a poll that asked if black people should be allowed to vote? Or a poll that asked if millions of illegal immigrants voted in the 2020 election?
If I didn't have multiple folks talking to me about it unbidden, maybe I'd agree with you, but it's a real thing out there in the world.
Biden is 81. His ability to communicate effectively is not what it was (it was never great). He's going to get older. that's a fact.
People know what the stress of being president does. It's totally reasonable to be concerned about what a 2nd term will do to Biden and voters are definitely concerned.
@joeinwynnewood @kwheaton @Nonilex Sigh. And voters were concerned about email security practices. And voters were concerned about Hunter's laptop. And voters were concerned about Obama's birth certificate.
I don't like playing this game where everyone pretends that they don't understand how the human brain maps general anxiety to concrete ideas. Gaslighting the fact that we are witnessing that process being used (again) to manipulate public opinion.
@tob @joeinwynnewood @Nonilex I am not basing my decision about Biden on anything but my own eyes and ears. I was disappointed he ran for re-election. I was upset there were no choices or debates in the primary. Had we seen him more....
I watched my Dad's progression with Parkinsons. I don't believe the WH denials. I can see with my own eyes. I don't think the media is sounding the alarm loud enough. Adam Schiff is not an alarmist---he's rather on the conservative side of Democrats.
I have seen every kind of maipulation on the keep Biden side. I have been calked a Russian bot and a fascist. Accused of disenfranchising those who voted for him in the primary--I did too. I have talked to a few dozen folks of different stripes since the debate. Only 1 is ridin with Biden. It will not get better after the convention. Democracy is more important than Biden's finishing the job he started. Alarmed at the interview when he made it about himself & not the country. Last time, right man at right time. Wrong man now.
@kwheaton @joeinwynnewood @Nonilex Who are you talking to? When Biden walks into the convention in August s the nominee, will your friends be "riding with Biden" then?
Or do you think they'll boo and hiss and complain about the process?
No, Democratic voters weren't concerned about any of those things.
You keep talking about gaslighting. Data is data. There's no gaslighting data. There's also no gaslighting pictures of before 8 years in the Oval Office and after.
If there's gaslighting going on, it's not coming from me.
My turn to mute.
@kwheaton @joeinwynnewood @Nonilex If it's so obvious, why isn't there a simple test?
I do enjoy the idea of you running around asking random doctors to diagnose the President. I guess they're not the busy kinds of doctors. Or the kinds with "professional standards."
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