@cdp1337 I think #Windows users and espechally #WindowsServer #Sysadmins are way too tolerant if nit accepting of BS.
If #RedHat / #RHEL, @opensuse , @ubuntu or @libreoffice ever pulled 1% of the shitshow that is #Microsoft365 / #Office365 / #MicrosoftOffice / #Copilot, they'd be sued by their customers and have users with Pitchforks at their front gates...
@[email protected] personally, I've wasted 15 years of my life trying to make #Windows useable and the main regret I have is not switching to #Linux 100% 5 years earlier... - I can't do Windows *at all* because no amount of *"pain money"* will compensate for the damage it'll take to my mental health. I'd rather not do #IT at all than suffer through Windows. - And yes, shit's that slow and hard, I've seen companies buying ~ €200k (MSRP which obviously noone pays) in low-core count EPYC servers just to have #MSSQL be somewhat reasonably fast. Not to mention #Microsoft's #Licensing is just absurd as they demand that businesses license their garbage not for the Cores/Threads they'll assign to the Software, but for every single core the #Proxmox or #ESXi cluster has, even if it's impossible for said Software to run on those at the same time because *"#WindowsServer"* doesn't even support multi-node clustering or fault-tolerance at all. - I could at least reason this as a price to pay for it if it actually bought *something* to the table worth it... But it just doesn't! And yes, Windows [does require reboot orgies]( https://social.veraciousnetwork.com/@cdp1337/112782342409591511 ) to update... - Why else do you think it's less pain and frustration to use #nLite and #iPXE to build unattended install images and just reinstall all Windows #Desktops everytime a #ServicePack gets released? It's way faster that way. - Also Microsoft's own tool for that, #WAIK, really sucks ass and is a bigger resource hog than a *"Full Installation"* of #VisualStudio Enterprise Edition! Again: I'd rather [spin my own distro from scratch]( https://os1337.com ) and daily drive it than ever touching Windows again!!!
@kkarhan @opensuse @ubuntu @libreoffice @bsi @certbund
On that note, wasn't it Canonical/Ubuntu that a few years back included some Amazon app by default and everyone FLIPPED SHIT over it? (and understandably so, having an easy option for new users to opt into integrations and services is great, but it has to be OPT IN).
And speaking from personal experience, I can understand the Windows sysadmins being tolerant of BS. At my day job they require us to use that horrible OS (despite my dev environment is a Red Hat instance I access over SSH), and absolutely hate it, but tolerate the SEVERE decrease in productivity that comes with having to fight with Windows because they pay relatively well.
Well...... it's still only 80% of the current market rate for my area, but it's well _enough_.
Pay folks enough money, (different for each person and scenario), and we'll be accepting of any amount of bullshit.
OH, since you brought up M365 and O365.... just wait for Windows365! Oh yes, you guessed it; that's the next service to get moved to Azure's cloud under Microsoft's direct control; THE ENTIRE FUCKING OPERATING SYSTEM!
@cdp1337 Yes, I know #Windows365, it was alsp known as #WindowsAzure and is basically a #ManagedDesktop in the #Azure Cloud with a pay-per-use / pay-per-resource system where one gets basically an #RDP session and pays for the VM at runtime + storage...
The whole #FixUbuntu saga is well known to me, it's still better than #Windows8 back in 2014...
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