@knittingknots2 what's dishonestly left missing is this would be getting no traction if the candidates weren't so horririble
@TAI @[email protected] voting is a social responsibility. the op ed is repugnant no matter who the candidates are
@benroyce never understand the mentality the voting is like money that must be spent. Not spending it is a message, is a vote to demand a better product, to stop selling garbage

@TAI

100% bullshit

a vote is a move in a right direction

not voting means you're fine with things getting worse

you never wait until you get perfect, then you vote. it never ever works like that

the only way you get better candidates is to vote consistently, then people build off why people are voting and you get better next iteration

not voting is for the completely clueless or toxic perfectionists, who have no idea of their vote's worth or how things work, and they only make things worse

@benroyce bad sale

@TAI

It's not my responsibility to convince you to do your responsibility. You are merely defining the terms on how you are failing everything you care about, and you don't even understand how.

@benroyce i'd say the same of you, participating in something that in reality serves itself more than the people. Adding legitimacy to something that provides unacceptable choices

@TAI

of course it doesn't serve you. you don't participate

just amazing how that works, isn't it professor?

so let me just get this clear, what you believe: without any input from you, the world is just going to magically provide you with the perfect candidate, out of nowhere. and *THEN* you vote

without any feedback (a simple vote), what you want is just going to appear out of thin air on a silver platter?

a simple vote for *a direction* is beneath you. you want perfect up front

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@benroyce these two choices meet your standards, others have better expectations. Calling it perfect is childish. But that matches your fools emojis at the conclusion

@TAI

Is it emotional for you? You expect politics to be like a romance? You want your heart to fill with passion when you vote?

It's a steering wheel. You steer in the direction you want. Or you don't. So someone else steers it to worse

That's it. That's the entire magic. You will never ever get better than that

Well... you could get a good direction and build on it iteratively to better

But you won't vote. So we get worse

What is it about the obvious that escapes you here?

@benroyce guess who thought like you, the GOP. and they lost their party to trump. What could be worse? people like you who cant adapt and lose the country to trump

@[email protected]

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you just supported my point: MAGA shows up to vote. so they took over the GOP

you don't vote. so you get shitty centrist dems

do you understand?

if the left showed up to vote we could have 50 AOCs. but instead emotionally compromised toxic perfectionists go "I won't vote until get what I want." holy purity is more important than accepting the obvious, apparently

but they live here. it effects them. why do they feel it won't effect them?

i know why:

entitlement and privilege

@benroyce @TAI

I think you're both wrong about this in different ways starting with assumed symmetry between Parties from the top leaders to the bottom base in what they're about and how they move.

@ciggysmokebringer @TAI

I agree 100%

The party is just an empty vessel

It's owned by whoever shows up to vote

If the left doesn't show up, the party withers to a weak centrist husk

the left could instead take the party over. mob the primaries

this whole notion the party is some controlled monolith is bullshit. whoever shows up owns it

who really believes this notion omnipotent centrist dems have a lock on things. they're weak. beat them. own it. take the party from them

@benroyce @TAI

This all amounts to a dare to take over a party by a smaller demos in voting share.

I dare Centrists to actually not light their hair on fire given full run of the table and make better choices on their own, because they out of hand reject that anyone else knows what the fuck they're talking about, by virtue of not already thinking like they do.

@ciggysmokebringer @TAI

who gives a fuck what centrists think?

why do you push this falsehood they are magic and powerful and control everything?

why would this false depiction stop you from doing what you want with the party?

mob the primaries

own the party

THAT is what you do

@benroyce @TAI

I'm giving you the skinny on why nobody on the supposed outside believes you and your rhetoric on this.

I mean, how close are you to Bowman's district? Maybe go talk to folks that pushed him through once about how theyre feeling today on the credibility of this whole thing.

@ciggysmokebringer @TAI

all there ever is in this world is a sense of agency and a sense of responsibility

to vote and fight for what you want

that's it. there is no better deal. it will never be any different

anyone lacking in a sense of responsibility and a sense of their own agency is entitled to nothing more than a swift kick in the pants

wherever people don't show up to vote, we don't look to whatever some centrist assholes are doing

we look at those who aren't voting

fucking #VOTE