TAI@knittingknots2 what's dishonestly left missing is this would be getting no traction if the candidates weren't so horririble
ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES@TAI @[email protected] voting is a social responsibility. the op ed is repugnant no matter who the candidates are
@benroyce never understand the mentality the voting is like money that must be spent. Not spending it is a message, is a vote to demand a better product, to stop selling garbage
100% bullshit
a vote is a move in a right direction
not voting means you're fine with things getting worse
you never wait until you get perfect, then you vote. it never ever works like that
the only way you get better candidates is to vote consistently, then people build off why people are voting and you get better next iteration
not voting is for the completely clueless or toxic perfectionists, who have no idea of their vote's worth or how things work, and they only make things worse
@benroyce bad sale
It's not my responsibility to convince you to do your responsibility. You are merely defining the terms on how you are failing everything you care about, and you don't even understand how.
@benroyce i'd say the same of you, participating in something that in reality serves itself more than the people. Adding legitimacy to something that provides unacceptable choices
of course it doesn't serve you. you don't participate
just amazing how that works, isn't it professor?
so let me just get this clear, what you believe: without any input from you, the world is just going to magically provide you with the perfect candidate, out of nowhere. and *THEN* you vote
without any feedback (a simple vote), what you want is just going to appear out of thin air on a silver platter?
a simple vote for *a direction* is beneath you. you want perfect up front
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@benroyce these two choices meet your standards, others have better expectations. Calling it perfect is childish. But that matches your fools emojis at the conclusion
Is it emotional for you? You expect politics to be like a romance? You want your heart to fill with passion when you vote?
It's a steering wheel. You steer in the direction you want. Or you don't. So someone else steers it to worse
That's it. That's the entire magic. You will never ever get better than that
Well... you could get a good direction and build on it iteratively to better
But you won't vote. So we get worse
What is it about the obvious that escapes you here?
@benroyce guess who thought like you, the GOP. and they lost their party to trump. What could be worse? people like you who cant adapt and lose the country to trump
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you just supported my point: MAGA shows up to vote. so they took over the GOP
you don't vote. so you get shitty centrist dems
do you understand?
if the left showed up to vote we could have 50 AOCs. but instead emotionally compromised toxic perfectionists go "I won't vote until get what I want." holy purity is more important than accepting the obvious, apparently
but they live here. it effects them. why do they feel it won't effect them?
i know why:
entitlement and privilege
Ciggy Bringer of SmokeI agree 100%
The party is just an empty vessel
It's owned by whoever shows up to vote
If the left doesn't show up, the party withers to a weak centrist husk
the left could instead take the party over. mob the primaries
this whole notion the party is some controlled monolith is bullshit. whoever shows up owns it
who really believes this notion omnipotent centrist dems have a lock on things. they're weak. beat them. own it. take the party from them
This all amounts to a dare to take over a party by a smaller demos in voting share.
I dare Centrists to actually not light their hair on fire given full run of the table and make better choices on their own, because they out of hand reject that anyone else knows what the fuck they're talking about, by virtue of not already thinking like they do.
who gives a fuck what centrists think?
why do you push this falsehood they are magic and powerful and control everything?
why would this false depiction stop you from doing what you want with the party?
mob the primaries
own the party
THAT is what you do
all there ever is in this world is a sense of agency and a sense of responsibility
to vote and fight for what you want
that's it. there is no better deal. it will never be any different
anyone lacking in a sense of responsibility and a sense of their own agency is entitled to nothing more than a swift kick in the pants
wherever people don't show up to vote, we don't look to whatever some centrist assholes are doing
we look at those who aren't voting
fucking #VOTE
this is like saying "adversity exists. that hurts my feelings so i'm going into the corner to cry. i give up."
who the fuck thinks the left is so weak and spineless? i don't. i don't think you do either. yet that assumption is predicated in your words in your comment above
you fight. and you may lose
you don't fight. you definitely will lose
there are no better terms in this world
And to my first response about asymmetry, The Democratic Party acting as waystation for the status quo, while trying to be the vehicle of resistance and better is not going to do any of it as a unit.
Centrists et al have spent my entire life (40 years) basically daring others to help them in the way that Tom Sawyer procured help with whitewashing the fence.
@ciggysmokebringer @TAI again: if you're trying to sell this false notion that centrist dems are a vast unstoppable omnipotent force I don't have anything to say to this ridiculous notion except you are doing nothing but arguing for meek acceptance, and thus you are trying to make me laugh
fight. or lose
that's it. you never get a better deal
That cohort isn't all that, they're just an obstinate bloc that doesn't know how to ask for help it think it doesn't need, in a coalition environment, today, July 5th 2024.
And you're like 'actually theyre right about this even if they put a wet paper sack over their head and need all of you doubters to help everyone in the world right now'
You can keep trying to drive this back towards thee actionable, but I will keep telling you why its not good tack.
There's a lotta days till november, you got the time to talk about the why more than the what.
incorrect
we have until nov 2025 to pick solid left candidates. then in 2026 we mob the primaries. there is nothing to "think about until november" except "why the fuck won't the left show the fuck up to get us better candidates"
but you keep on with this stunning narrative of the vastly powerful centrist dems destroying your sense of agency. whatever bs you have the unfortunate need to tell yourself
Ben, if you ever want me to see photos of you on the primary campaign trail as I know you will be there, you have got to be able to differentiate opinion from statements of fact and rap with me in a way that will actually get me to vote.
Because when you are on the campaign trial, you're not talk like this for very long.
Just advice from someone that has been there and used the campaign tack when volunteering for the campaign in official capacity.
"get me to vote"
i stopped reading here
you vote. period. that is your social responsibilty
this notion i owe you something before you do your social responsibility is nothing but a statement of clueless entitlement
you don't know, or you don't care, what is on the line. perhaps because you are so privileged you won't lose anything. well good for you. i'm glad you have it so well. enjoy the lies you tell yourself that have convinced you you don't have to fight
Let me know when you're ready to use me as proxy from someone on the street you will canvass for the Leftist candidate in your district you are volunteering for.
Do a dry run with me on it.
(even if we don't do a dry run, and just go back and forth, can you see where I am going with this yet on the difference between online jawboning as people and doing the work you say needs to be done?)
sure
"mob the primaries and get 50 AOCs in"
3 pronged stool:
1. a good candidate
2. a viable district
3. people showing the fuck up
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