TAI@knittingknots2 what's dishonestly left missing is this would be getting no traction if the candidates weren't so horririble
ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES@TAI @[email protected] voting is a social responsibility. the op ed is repugnant no matter who the candidates are
@benroyce never understand the mentality the voting is like money that must be spent. Not spending it is a message, is a vote to demand a better product, to stop selling garbage
100% bullshit
a vote is a move in a right direction
not voting means you're fine with things getting worse
you never wait until you get perfect, then you vote. it never ever works like that
the only way you get better candidates is to vote consistently, then people build off why people are voting and you get better next iteration
not voting is for the completely clueless or toxic perfectionists, who have no idea of their vote's worth or how things work, and they only make things worse
@benroyce bad sale
It's not my responsibility to convince you to do your responsibility. You are merely defining the terms on how you are failing everything you care about, and you don't even understand how.
@benroyce i'd say the same of you, participating in something that in reality serves itself more than the people. Adding legitimacy to something that provides unacceptable choices
of course it doesn't serve you. you don't participate
just amazing how that works, isn't it professor?
so let me just get this clear, what you believe: without any input from you, the world is just going to magically provide you with the perfect candidate, out of nowhere. and *THEN* you vote
without any feedback (a simple vote), what you want is just going to appear out of thin air on a silver platter?
a simple vote for *a direction* is beneath you. you want perfect up front
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@benroyce these two choices meet your standards, others have better expectations. Calling it perfect is childish. But that matches your fools emojis at the conclusion
Is it emotional for you? You expect politics to be like a romance? You want your heart to fill with passion when you vote?
It's a steering wheel. You steer in the direction you want. Or you don't. So someone else steers it to worse
That's it. That's the entire magic. You will never ever get better than that
Well... you could get a good direction and build on it iteratively to better
But you won't vote. So we get worse
What is it about the obvious that escapes you here?
@benroyce nah, you can't accept good points or reality. Those that know far more than you and I, those on the inside are calling for him to step down. But your childish denial would have us discount that also. Just because your mind can't grasp the point of not rewarding or supporting incompetent and negligent behavior, doesn't discount the point. You obviously follow the herd, do as your told to think. don't point at me when it's clear you can't think for yourself, cant acknowledge obvious pts
okanogen VerminEnemyFromWithin@TAI @benroyce
If Biden pulls out there is no way those totally honest and fair oligarchs who have been bankrolling corrupt judges for decades will allow ANYONE to replace him. There will be thousands of lawsuits and rulings including AFTER the election, and the GOP House will weigh in, too.
What kind of freshly born larvae would believe that fairytale about "replacing Biden". It isn't happening even if he wanted it.
If Biden pulls out there is no way those totally honest and fair oligarchs who have been bankrolling corrupt judges for decades will allow ANYONE to replace him. There will be thousands of lawsuits and rulings including AFTER the election, and the GOP House will weigh in, too.
What kind of freshly born larvae would believe that fairytale about "replacing Biden". It isn't happening even if he wanted it.
@benroyce he should have stepped down and passed the baton to her. Arrogance and the narcissism required of politicians prevented that. So ride a punch drunk politician to it's logical outcome, then blame everyone else, we don't have a brain trust running this country, we don't have people with good intentions directing things
cool. thanks. great thoughts
so like, um, like, uh... please forgive me, but correct me if i'm wrong, but we should vote for even a potted plant to prevent mango mussolini gaining power, correct?
or is the game troll on mastodon and suppress the vote on the left so mango mussolini wins?
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"well i'm going to let fascism come and my rights removed because i feel inadequately inspired by the dems"
cool, cool
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@benroyce ask biden, he didn't seem to think trump was the threat you make out to be. biden has the most powerful position in the world, yet trump is still around?
@benroyce called people accountable, he failed, he lied
wow, that's terrible
this biden guy sounds like a real jerk
anyway, we have fascism coming under trump
part of me thinks that might be a bigger problem
but no, i don't think so, and i have you to thank friend!
you inspired me not to vote, because nitpicking biden's horrible no good meanie jerkiness is far far more important!
excellent job, very well done. put up another win there friend and collect your 50 rubles
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Amoshias@Amoshias you might want to get your head out of your ass and assess reality going on around you. presently, you're riding a dying horse without the slightest thought how far that will get you. Thats the thinking, more the lack of thinking that got us here. not exactly brilliance
@Amoshias you handed it to a king riding a dying horse. oops i forgot you don't take responsibilty for stupid choices
@TAI @benroyce
Are you being deliberately stupid?
Obviously the oligarchs are supporting Trump and will block any Dem nominee if Biden, for whatever reason, wants to step aside. They have been buying justices like Alito and Thomas for just this reason.
It's so fucking obvious even a simple primate would get it.
Are you being deliberately stupid?
Obviously the oligarchs are supporting Trump and will block any Dem nominee if Biden, for whatever reason, wants to step aside. They have been buying justices like Alito and Thomas for just this reason.
It's so fucking obvious even a simple primate would get it.
@benroyce yet you've traveling miles dow this road??????????????????
@benroyce you do realize I don't take you seriously at all, your just the paper i'm writing on in some cases, Ive already addressed those i consider intelligent, worth the debate. but carry on, you're doing great
"your just the paper i'm writing on in some cases"
*you're
oh write on me. write on my paper harder
UwU
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@benroyce guess who thought like you, the GOP. and they lost their party to trump. What could be worse? people like you who cant adapt and lose the country to trump
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you just supported my point: MAGA shows up to vote. so they took over the GOP
you don't vote. so you get shitty centrist dems
do you understand?
if the left showed up to vote we could have 50 AOCs. but instead emotionally compromised toxic perfectionists go "I won't vote until get what I want." holy purity is more important than accepting the obvious, apparently
but they live here. it effects them. why do they feel it won't effect them?
i know why:
entitlement and privilege
Ciggy Bringer of Smoke
arceuthobium@ciggysmokebringer @benroyce @TAI and, I mean, the premise that progressives vote less than centrists is also wrong.
@theothersimo @ciggysmokebringer @TAI
what? what is the voting rate amongst the young? da fuq you talking about?
@benroyce @ciggysmokebringer @TAI Progressives are, and always have been, the most loyal ideological voting bloc in the Democratic Party. The idea that the Party will someday reward their loyalty is pure fantasy.
@theothersimo @ciggysmokebringer @TAI
look at this image. why do you deny this obvious truth and push a lie?
nevermind this lie that evil super powerful centrist dems control everything
you mob the primaries, you own the fucking party
THAT is how it works
@benroyce @ciggysmokebringer @TAI my exact words: progressives are the most loyal IDEOLOGICAL voting bloc [in the Democratic party].
Comparing an ideological group to an age cohort ( which includes millions of progressives) isn’t even dishonest, it’s just fucking absurd.
@theothersimo @ciggysmokebringer @TAI
unfollowed
please unfollow me
you're not serious on this topic
bye
I agree 100%
The party is just an empty vessel
It's owned by whoever shows up to vote
If the left doesn't show up, the party withers to a weak centrist husk
the left could instead take the party over. mob the primaries
this whole notion the party is some controlled monolith is bullshit. whoever shows up owns it
who really believes this notion omnipotent centrist dems have a lock on things. they're weak. beat them. own it. take the party from them
This all amounts to a dare to take over a party by a smaller demos in voting share.
I dare Centrists to actually not light their hair on fire given full run of the table and make better choices on their own, because they out of hand reject that anyone else knows what the fuck they're talking about, by virtue of not already thinking like they do.
who gives a fuck what centrists think?
why do you push this falsehood they are magic and powerful and control everything?
why would this false depiction stop you from doing what you want with the party?
mob the primaries
own the party
THAT is what you do
all there ever is in this world is a sense of agency and a sense of responsibility
to vote and fight for what you want
that's it. there is no better deal. it will never be any different
anyone lacking in a sense of responsibility and a sense of their own agency is entitled to nothing more than a swift kick in the pants
wherever people don't show up to vote, we don't look to whatever some centrist assholes are doing
we look at those who aren't voting
fucking #VOTE
this is like saying "adversity exists. that hurts my feelings so i'm going into the corner to cry. i give up."
who the fuck thinks the left is so weak and spineless? i don't. i don't think you do either. yet that assumption is predicated in your words in your comment above
you fight. and you may lose
you don't fight. you definitely will lose
there are no better terms in this world