all_i_seeBiden says he 'screwed up' debate but vows to stay in election
A New York Times poll conducted after the debate, which was published on Wednesday, suggested Trump was now holding his biggest lead yet at six points.
And a separate poll published by the BBC’s US partner CBS News suggested Trump has a three-point lead over Mr Biden in the crucial battleground states
Him refusing to listen to voters is reason enough to replace him.
But Joe can’t win without Dem voters. Every indication is he’s willing to hand trump the presidency out of spite if the party doesn’t force him out.
He’s not fit to be president, even if we beat Trump. We’re stuck with this shit where Biden does whatever the fuck he wants, and rarely agrees with the people who put him in office.
Snot FlickermanWelcome to how the Democrats have operated as a party since the Bill Clinton era in the 90’s.
I’m ready for the next step, which is to blame voters for not voting hard enough, after *checks notes… two years of viciously saying “You can’t critique the President it’s too close to an election” as if it’s never not too close to an election to critique Democrats apparently.
TropicalDingdongI mean, this is the kind of messaging we should expect from the office until the exact moment he flips. There isn’t anything really “new” in this BBC article, its mostly a rehash of several other articles and polls that have come out since last Thursday.
I’m still holding out for an announcement this evening/ tomorrow morning, but I am becoming less confident in that. I’m still confident that Biden isn’t going to be the nominee, but he’s creating a significant cost associated with him continuing to run as a lost-cause candidate. We need to move on and regroup, and we’re running out of time to do so.
At this point, Biden needs to basically recover 30 points in the polling to overcome the disadvantage we know he carries going into a general (we have seen how he underperforms his polling on election day; we also know that Trump typically outperforms his polling on election day). A thirty point swing at this point is a statistical impossibility, for those being practical about the matter. I can post the analysis again, but no swing of that magnitude has ever happened this close to election day. Ever. Based on his current polling, Biden has a less than 1% probability of winning, which is to say, basically impossible.
Even changing the nominee is risky at this point. There’s never been a party that has won when changing the nominee at the “last minute.”
That’s what’s scary here, replacing him could even be more disastrous than standing behind him. Both are bad choices. We’ve been fucked into a bad choice by a party that doesn’t give a shit about its own voters.
If only literally anybody in the party apparatus had listened to reason in four fucking years instead of being like “We can cart his corpse out until he croaks like we did with Dianne Feinstein.”
Get back to me when we switch candidates and still lose.
You really think when the party goes into back rooms and smokes cigars to choose the candidate that the Democratic voters are just going to fall in line and vote for them?
What if the choice the party chooses is Hillary Rodham Clinton?
Tell me, what candidate do the Democrats even have that would electrify their voter base.
I’m a Democrat and all I’ve got to say is “Fuck Newsom” and “I’d vote for Whitmer to stop Trump but that’s about it.”
The very idea that the party choosing the candidate after years of people being angry about the party fucking over Bernie Sanders on purpose will be somehow a popular pick is a big fucking joke. They argued in court that it was legal for them to choose their own candidate. Lots of people remember that and will be pissed off that the party is choosing for them again.
We’re well past the primaries. We have a month and a half until the convention. The two choices are the party picks the candidate, or they let the delegates choose at the convention. Both will be guaranteed shitshows, since none of the actual voters will get a choice in this matter.
Maybe you could run with this argument if the DNC hadn’t purposefully locked Bernie Sanders out as a candidate twice in a row. People remember, people won’t be happy about the bullshit choice of Biden being replace with another bullshit choice. We’re not gonna magic up some primaries in a month and a half.
The party literally chose to ignore this issue until after the primaries so voters wouldn’t have a choice. Fuck them for that.
They chose to deny that Biden was too old, and they purposefully waited until after the primaries to admit it to deny voters an actual choice because they think the party knows better. Evidence of the last 20 years is the party doesn’t know shit.
…but I guess if we just ignore the actual logistics and the recent past of the party itself, we can just play pretend that it will totally work out. /s
… what candidate…
AOC would be electrifying. But you’ve pretty clearly already decided that it’s not possible to win with literally anyone except checks notes Joseph fucking Biden, a candidate that people didn’t even want to vote for last time.
Ah yes. This old tired canard.
Please explain it to me.
Joe Biden will lose. There is no more disastrous option. “Who knows what will happen” is at least in the grouping of “maybe they won’t lose”.
Even changing the nominee is risky at this point.
So is not replacing him, and the hand wringing around it being a problem is a significant contributor to this mess lasting as long as it has.
The right answer is to go to an open convention and duke it out the way its always been done in the past. At least bring back some semblance of democracy to the Democratic party; you’ll get a SHIT ton of coverage on the matter; it will turn into a real horse race and get people engaged, and then you’ll have a candidate is at least competitive, which Biden isnt.
You shouldnt be scared of replacing Biden. Thats like being scared of pulling over in a car with a flat tire.
The only people duking it out at the convention will be delegates. The party clearly thinks that they know better than the voters and they’re not gonna stop now.
Like the entire Democratic party keeps fucking up every chance they get because they’re so self assured and won’t listen to criticism. This has been the story of the last 25 fucking years.
Do you really expect me to believe they’ll turn around now and make a good choice? I don’t. Just like Hillary and Biden were bad choices, they’re just gonna choose another fucking bad choice.
I’m not fretting about it, I think it’s fucking stupid to leave the choice with the same idiots who fucked it up to begin with. They’re not gonna suddenly let the voters decide. They’re gonna let already determined party delegates decide. The same fucking “superdelegate” insiders who chose Hillary Fuckwit Clinton, the only person who was audacious enough to be able to lose to Donald Trump (and to this day walks around blaming everyone but herself). The same fuckwits who hid Biden’s clearly serious age issues, just somehow hoping it would work out. You expect those people to suddenly field a non-fucktarded-candidate?
I’m not fretting about it, I think it’s fucking stupid to leave the choice with the same idiots who fucked it up to begin with
Sure. And I agree. But I’m over it. Any one polling over 45%. I dont care any more. I just want someone who can beat Trump. Its obvious to everyone with eyes that isn’t Biden.
Thanks, we’re really all on the same side here. We’re all sick of this and just want it to be over and it to not be Trump. I’m with you on that, fucking ANYONE but him, please.
Well, you and I are.
There are plenty of people here, I suggest a majority, who have deluded themselves into thinking Biden is the only possible path to beating Trump, rather than a guaranteed L.
This cohort is the same cohort that has effectively put us in such a dramatically weak position to beat Trump. They are the real problem and if allowed to go unchecked, will lose this election for us.
TrickDacyFuck Nate Silver, some random Internet user figured it all out and didn’t even cite a source
apfelwoiSchoppenMan child.
Sounds like someone needs to learn a few more insults.
MamboGatorOh, look. I’ve already blocked everyone who has commented so far. Funny thing, that.
AmbiguousPropsGood for you, I guess?
seathruThank you for your contribution.
But I assure you, not one single person cares who you block*.
Edit:* Except maybe hexbears, they get butthurt when blocked.
We’re gonna have to share that list, I still had a bunch of unblocked people in here.
Why?
Probably indicating that you should fuck off.
You’ve angered the mob. Careful.
There are certain topics that are guranteed to have 80% of the commenters blocked when I open the thread. Then when I log out to read said comments I’m faced with the reason for why they’re blocked.
MubelotixCan you block me too please?
The debate isn’t even the issue. It’s the fact that we just got a king and he’s saying that we, the people who voted him in, are the only ones that can stop a dictatorship. We’re not - he literally has all of the power to save democracy and isn’t doing jack.
Nothing is stopping him from Officially Acting on six Supreme Court Justice literally right now.
TimLovesTechExcept that it would be against the law, and it’s hard to contrast yourself with Trump if you are also now committing crimes (even if those crimes are for the bettering of the US). Immunity doesn’t blank your crimes from the public’s minds, and forcefully removing even bad faith Justices from the Supreme Court is not a great look when he has been campaigning on knowing “right from wrong” and respecting the rule of law.
Trump is legit about to have those powers, and the only way to get that to not happen is for him to do something first. He will lose the public’s vote if he doesn’t (and he won’t, so he’ll send us straight into the Trump Kingdom). The time to play softball with these scumbags was long ago, and he’s still using the kid gloves.
I’ll remember biden not executing 6 justices and letting us slide into fascism all so he can keep his optics of being the candidate that knows right from wrong. Fuck all that, biden should use his powers granted by the Supreme Court to right the ship, because when he loses this election Trump is gonna execute a lot more people and expand his power so now isn’t the time for him to be a pussy old man and use the remaining life his has to fuck shit up to stop fascism
If Biden executes six supreme justices, he’s the fascist.
Fascism is already here. It officially arrived last week in a little box labeled “Pandora” and now it’s just a question of who will open it.
Historically, violence is the only way to stop fascism. If you want to play the fascists game don’t be surprised when they win. If you cant see the difference between violence to fight fascism and violence that is fascism then you’re a kind of ‘both sides’ person I don’t think has what it takes to stop fascists.
I’m not saying it’s not necessary. It is.
Modern Dems don’t shoot first. Something extreme has to happen but executing sitting justices is probably plan C or D. They are no doubt going to try to win and be right (as far as playing by the old rules will allow).
The presidency gained expanded immunity not expanded powers. He can give the CIA illegal orders without fear of prosecution, but the CIA is not bound to follow them.
That’s the key difference in how this change impacts a Biden Presidency, and how it would impact a Trump presidency. Biden has surrounded himself with people who respect the law, whole Trump will surround himself with criminals, lackies, and cultists.
Changing candidates now is a terrible Idea. Who is proposed to replace him? None of these articles posit a different candidate, just not Biden. Ridiculous
Harris, Newsom, Whitmer, Pritzker, and Shapiro are the most common potential replacements I’ve seen floated.
Realistically it would be harris or newsom, and they are both as unpopular as biden. Obviously they are mentally sharper but have other baggage.
And considering the DNC locked Sanders out of winning primaries twice in a row, how are all the disenfranchised Democrat voters supposed to feel about…
The party choosing to ignore Biden’s advanced age and not letting the cat out of the bag until well after we could have run some primaries and let the voters decide.
We’re left with two options with a month and a half to the convention. Let the party apparatchiks choose the candidate, or let the delegates choose the candidate, both of which are inherently anti-democratic choices.
The DNC made these choices on purpose and are leaving voters without an actual choice on purpose. It is literally the party’s choices that have lead us to this moment, but somehow the party making another bad choice will fix things? I seriously doubt that.
Who, when chosen by the DNC for us, (not BY us) do you think will actually excite voters?
I don’t understand why we feel so entitled to primaries. We don’t get to choose who runs in the primaries. It’s really more like an opinion poll and the party decides whether or not to listen to the opinion. AlwaysHasBeen.jpg.
And which of them are have stated that they intend to run for president? Either go with what we have or don’t go. Those are your options.
Why would any of them say they intend to run while an incumbent is on the ticket? If Biden steps aside, I think they’d all be open to it. Personally, I’m voting against trump, Dems could put Willow Biden in the race for all I care.
As a conservative independent I don’t want someone who’s in politics to politic. I’d rather have people who have strong beliefs, even if I disagree. Give me AOC or Warren.
Literally Anyone Else 2024
OmegaAnyone else is a popular choice. Everyone loves anyone else. That is, until you name anyone else.
I’ll do it. But I have to stay anonymous.
Michele Obama is the only one consistently beating Trump in polls. Not that I want Obama v2, but that’s where it stands currently.
Done properly, a replacement would get a big bump with the nomination, but that’s not much to count on.
Jon Stewart would probably wipe the floor with Trump if anyone can figure out how to draft him.
Jon Stewart would rather make jokes over a still image of Biden than step the fuck up.
To be fair, in normal times I would want him doing just that. He has no experience in government or campaigning. But right now, beating Trump is all that matters.
Yeah he really let the first responders in NYC down /s Fuck you just in case you didn’t get it.
And thats the reson people like him. He tells the truth about everyone instead of pretending the threat of a facist is a good reason to sweep all issues with your candidate under the rug.
Considering how slow walking biden to the convention has been going lately it seems he was right.
My point is that he isn’t interested in being a leader. He would rather make the easy jokes, and I’ve lost a ton of respect for him.
The people voting for democrats are going to vote for whoever is on the ballot. It’s the independets who decide the vote and many of them are now considering Trump. I’d argue that to whoever Trump isn’t the obvious first choice pretty much anyone else but Biden would be a more compelling candidate. They know what they’re going to get with both Trump and Biden. How much worse could they realistically be if we just pick a random dude from the street and nominate them instead?
God.fucking.dammit.
When these two debates were announced, I knew it was going to be fucked up, but NO. Oooh he’s got to debate! He’ll show everyone how bad trump is! He needs to do it to help the undecideds!
Fucking insane gibberish of a person who learned NOTHING from 2016. We got away with it in 2020 on the sheer novelty of an adult, a representative of government, telling trump to shut the fuck up. Now that was good tv. But it was a one-off.
And now look at this shit. These fuckheads who can’t wait to elect trump are all up in here going “ooooh noooo Biden’s so bad he’s making us have trump be elected!1!!”
Goddammit. The fucking “Operation gENoSiDE jOe” wasn’t gaining enough traction so THANK FUCK a bunch of Harvard MBA fuckups roundly decided Joe should stand on stage with a demented socopathic rapist who is functionally incapable of telling the truth and, y’know, give folks in the rural areas a little of the ol’, y’know, compare and contrast! What a goddamned brilliant idea. Hey! Let’s do it twice! Yeah! We are soooo smrt.
Son of a fucking bitch, now we have to watch this garbage-truck-off-a-cliff-in-slow-motion for probably the next three months while all the Li’l Che Guevaras pile in every thread like clowns in a decrepit, backfiring bus, farting and defecating the same pointless key phrases over and over.
DNC, you fucked up again because you refuse to understand how media works. Trumps out here kicking in windows and laughing and you guys are faxing press releases to republiQan-run news organizations and hoping their spin isn’t terrible. Christ in a bucket.
This comment is amazing. I’ve been trying to counter all the tankie propaganda with a parody community [email protected]
Has it ever occurred to you the short bus Che Guevaras were farting the phrases because they saw this coming?
They saw Biden was “too unelectable” a year ago? Sure. That’s why they won’t shut up about it. They’re experienced campaign managers. The only reason they weren’t pulling this BS in 2016 is because they were still in middle school. Well, and also because Hillary was polling at 99% the whole time.
They fucked up losing Bernie Sanders, easy 8 years (people would have grown to love him)
JackFrostNColaDude is fucking sharp, huge misfire on not backing him.