Yep - Lemmy.World

Vote for the ones that don’t get caught.

What’s more likely:

  • A grand conspiracy that’s lasted for 50 years, that somehow has infected every branch of govt, but somehow still doesn’t guarantee victory in elections, presidential and otherwise.

  • Democrats are less corrupt.

  • I was making a silly joke based on the likelihood that most people have committed crimes and gotten away with it. For example, Obama talks openly about smoking pot in his 1995 memoir. He didn’t get caught.
    If the Republicans have been in power more than Democrats, why haven’t they investigated all the Democrats and sued them? Are you saying that the Republicans are incompetent? Tell me this also which party holds the majority in Supreme Court right now?
    So even if what you’re insinuating were true: do you really want to vote for the corrupt and stupid rather than the corrupt and smart? I’d at least trust the corrupt and smart people to run the country in a way that doesn’t lead to catastrophic failure.
    Wait, who was the one?
    Blagojevich maybe?
    I’m pretty sure IL had more corrupt governors before Blagojevich so I don’t think it’s including them.
    I don’t know but I’m betting that they were voted in by the great state of New Jersey.
    Careful, you’ll upset the propagandists.
    how bout I take a propa ganda at them honkers
    Is this all elected officials? I’m confused where these numbers are coming from.
    Looks like only federal to me but idk.
    It’s only federal numbers and I think they might be a few years out of date but I’m too lazy to check.
    If this were up to date, it would absolutely list a criminal president
    They’re coming directly from a well meaning individual’s asshole
    Obviously the democrats are more corrupt because they’re getting away with all of their crimes /s

    It’s funny, the guy below you at the time of my reply is basically saying that without the /s.

    By the way, nice to see you again!

    obama bombed the fuck out of syria and no one batted an eye. all technically legal.

    biden is signing some hefty sums to israel, pretty sure thats legal too.

    so, like, yeah maybe.

    Imagine how much of a criminal you have to be to end up arrested in a system where you have the advantage as a political criminal tho.

    That’s how messed up the Republicans are

    Which party do I vote for that stops spending money on weapons or war?

    Or, at the very fucking least, spent less money on weapons or war than the year before?

    Which party do I vote for that stops spending money on weapons or war?

    Probably one of the third parties running who they are encouraging you not to “waste” your vote on

    More importantly than president: Down ballot. Start with your local representative and non federal positions. Local elections usually have less party lines and you may find political alignment there.

    The Presidency is mostly a sock puppet for the military industrial complex. We aren’t catching lightning in a bottle there.

    The Presidency is mostly a sock puppet for the military industrial complex. We aren’t catching lightning in a bottle there.

    So, just to be clear, in matters involving the military industrial complex, both parties are the same?

    Like the original post is asking to be reminded about in a snarky fashion obviously trying to imply that there is no way they’re the same?

    The military industrial complex is a pretty bipartisan issue. It is probably the most bipartisan issue in American politics.

    What does bipartisan mean again?

    I apparently have to absolutely clear here.

    The OP meme is mocking people claiming that the two parties are the same, because in one field (The number of convictions) they aren’t.

    The OP meme mockingly asks people to tell it again how the parties are the same.

    I’m LITERALLY doing that. And your response is “Yep, they are the same on that issue.”

    So… are you picking a fight with being agreed with?

    Sorry, I misread your comment as sarcastic.

    I apologize for responding to you as I did.

    As someone from a corrupt country this just tells me left side is better at hiding and bribery lol.
    Maybe your experience in a corrupt country doesn’t translate directly to ours…?
    You are a naive idiot if you think politicians aren’t all equally corrupt and that is why your entire country is going into the shitter
    Nothing is ever THAT equal. And you have the gall to call ME a naive idiot? I won’t be able to convince you, but you need to get a bigger perspective.
    Your perspective is that politicians in the US aren’t corrupt, a country that legalized bribery and is the richest and most criminal place on earth. That is absolutely ridiculous. It isn’t gall, it is obvious that you are an total and complete idiot with a child’s perspective of the terrorist state that you live in and how bad and corrupt the politics of the empire you live in actually are. You’re right that you won’t convince me that country that destroyed the place I come from isn’t a corrupt shithole of evil motherfuckers like yourself who are so self centered and preoccupied with your own narcissism you can’t even see the fact that you are a villain.
    To that makes Republicans more attractive to some people
    Oh so the party of law and order was meaning the party that keeps law enforcement busy
    Every US president I remember was a (war) criminal. But it’s not about the individuals, but rather the systemic changes enacted.
    Because Latin America gets fucked over either way
    …only Latin America? You may want to ask Afghani, Iranian, Vietnamese, North Korean, Palestinian, Pakistani…
    Diarrhea and constipation are on separate ends of the scale. But both are the same in that they are shit, and no one wants them.
    They’re not the same, but they do work together to thwart the will and prosperity of the people. The game wouldn’t work if they were exactly the same.
    Good cop, bad cop.

    As a non-american just watching the democratic shitshow I can’t believe why on earth there are only two parties. If the parties are fucked up, build a new one. That’s what democracy is made for.

    Macrons party in France was fresh up from the ground at his first election.

    PS. I’m aware that France is a bad example actually, but the fact about his party is still true.

    First past the post elections. If we had ranked choice or runoff elections, more parties would appear.

    Instead, in FPTP, every vote that is not for one of the two highest-polling candidates is objectively a wasted vote, since the game theory makes the possibility of a third party gaining enough votes to win in any single election nearly infinitesimal. So instead of many parties, all candidates self-sort into one of the two viable parties.

    So what about primaries? The primary system decides the candidates, but even that is a game-theory-laden mess, because primary voters have to guess which will perform better in a FPTP general election and often vote against their ideal candidate in the hopes of winning the general.

    In short, until we structurally reform elections to be ranked/STAR/runoff/etc to remove the punitive effect of voting for your actual ideal candidate, we’re stuck with a prisoner’s dilemma election every time.

    As a non-american just watching the democratic shitshow I can’t believe why on earth there are only two parties.

    In a lot of cases, there’s only one real functioning party. Smaller states and gerrymandered districts tend to have a single dominant party and a secondary dissident party, with the dominant party controlling all the statewide offices and most of the legislative seats, while the dissident party controls some number of municipal seats where they have a local majority.

    Macrons party in France was fresh up from the ground at his first election.

    Macron spun En Marche out of the collapsed ruin of Hollande’s Socialist Party (*) (for whom he was deputy secretary general until Hollande’s ouster). He was more akin to Lincoln’s Republicans (who emerged from the wrecked carcass of the American Whig Party) or Theodore Roosevelt’s Bull Moose Party (which might as well have been Republicans For Roosevelt Party, given how badly Wilson rocked both him and Taft).

    (*) don’t get too existed. they were pretty thin on actual socialism.

    Le Penn’s National Front has a real foundation (of French fascists) that existed before she started mobilizing the party and will stick around after she’s gone. Similarly the New Popular Front (not to be confused with The People’s Front of Judea rimshot) has a broad coalition of support that transcends any one leader. Both are more in line with a traditional American party.

    Looks like I know shit about French politics, thanks, TIL.

    Btw. maybe it needs a strong movement to create a real third party. A workers union for example, there is a lot of potential if they unite. BLM, too. America had strong movements in the past but none of them went into a political party, sadly.

    Americans are near universally convinced that third-parties are a dead end, which becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. I’ve never understood it and I would’ve thought having two obviously non-viable candidates would challenge that assumption, but it doesn’t seem like anything will. The classic Simpsons bit where both candidates get replaced by evil space aliens but still get elected because “what are you going to do, vote third party?” was not an exaggeration in the slightest. Americans just accept anything.
    its because the indivual states entrenched the two parties. It’s really difficult to form another national party. The two main candidates also often run as nominess for smaller state level parties.
    They are not the same, the republicans are the psychopath shooting up a classroom of kids, and the democrats are the Uvalde cops tasing those that try to stop it.
    God that’s so perfect I want to nab that and blast it on a megaphone.

    They aren’t the same. They are bad in different ways. One side are corporate shills who are looking to depress the power of workers the other wants to kill blacks, lgbtqa+, Latinos and turn women into sex slave baby machines.

    One is clearly worse and we should vote against them, but don’t tell me the Democrats aren’t bad.

    Aren’t republicans also corporate shills who are looking to depress the power of workers? And aren’t they much more open about being so?
    Yea but they gotta both sides somehow.
    They absolutely are. My point was, and I apologize if it didn’t come through, republicans are bad in every way Democrats are and beyond. But the Democrats aren’t good.
    They both serve the rich first and foremost which is a critical issue for them to be “both sides” on. Yes, republicans are worse, but that doesn’t make democrats good.