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@internetarchive Torrenting is the only way.
@ml @internetarchive bittorrent (and all other current alternatives afaik) don't have any sort of anonymization, so ISPs can surveil torrent peers and cut off your access. it's not clear to me yet how to apply the consistent hashing used in most DHTs to tor's model yet, but tor may expose a sort of internal node ID that could be similarly used to achieve consistent hashing? @torproject has there been work to anonymize DHTs via tor or other alternatives?

@hipsterelectron Tor actually has a FAQ asking people to not use Tor for bittorrent because it stresses the network

IPFS has done some work in this space, we're not sure how far along that aspect is

@ireneista their website says ipfs is not private and to use something else if you want privacy i was checking it out yesterday

@hipsterelectron oh. drat.

I2p is an overlay network that does support bittorrent, although that falls significantly short of true anonymization, for reasons you can probably already see

@ireneista tor's anonymity via noise addition is less interesting to me anyway; VPNs can be used to interface but i recall hearing that some VPNs don't like being used for seedboxes. the level of privacy sufficient to mask participation in a particular swarm to an ISP seems less stringent than tor's guarantees and the consistent hashing needed for a DHT seems like something that could be achieved with any other identifier, but masking identity to all other participants in the swarm seems necessary as well and may be more difficult than i'm hoping :(
@hipsterelectron @ireneista Getting a VPS anonymously in a jurisdiction that you DGAF about to run your torrents and logging into it over Tor seems like the safest option that's currently practical.
@dalias @ireneista @hipsterelectron Anonymous payment to those has kept getting more complicated.

It also puts a hard limit on participation for those that can't justify the overhead of anonymous payments.
@Qbitzerre @dalias @ireneista For anonymous payment?

Zcash (which practically no one takes nor uses, so even just acquiring it will be a flag), Monero (I'm doubtful its security won't be compromised in the long term, I don't think anything is backed by proofs) or GNU Taler (which last I checked no one supports, but it otherwise also benefits from sound mathematical background like Zcash's zk-snark and doesn't have any of the cryptocurrency environment concerns).

So in practical terms you're basically left with money in a security enveloppe or Monero.

Privately acquiring Monero is itself a shitshow, and the best option at this point is peer-to-peer exchanges and a few intermediate transfers thereafter for obfuscation (which is subject to Monero's eventual failure, of course).

You certainly could say the situation is disappointing.
@lispi314 @ireneista @Qbitzerre Visa gift card purchased with cash?
@dalias @lispi314 @Qbitzerre if you take drug-dealer-level precautions around acquiring it, sure, but that's difficult for a reason
@ireneista @lispi314 @Qbitzerre I really don't think pigs are going to go hunting for old grocery store surveillance footage or whatever over a vps halfway around the world that's torrenting. Am I wrong about this?
@dalias @Qbitzerre @ireneista > Visa gift card purchased with cash?
The particular card numbers tend to be registered to which places they were sold at.

That can give a fairly good idea of operational area.

> if you take drug-dealer-level precautions around acquiring it, sure, but that's difficult for a reason

> I really don't think pigs are going to go hunting for old grocery store surveillance footage or whatever over a vps halfway around the world that's torrenting. Am I wrong about this?

Depending on what you share? Yes. Things that inconvenience feds will absolutely result in that kind of effort, if traffic analysis didn't already screw one over (which it probably did).

As for copyright fascists... most of them haven't /yet/ bothered to do that sort of thing because the low hanging fruit of torrenting in the clear is still a thing. But everything they'd need to start earnest doxing efforts is readily commercially available.

I vaguely recall a few hacktivists getting screwed over in a similar way (point of sale had cameras & they used a currency with no functional obfuscation) as well.