mhoyeMay 29, 2024

This is a remarkable graph.

You might have heard that "EV sales are slumping", "people are starting to avoid EVs", etc.

That's not what's happening.

What's happening is "Tesla is cratering so hard that it's skewing the aggregate market data."

Or, put differently, "Tesla is failing harder than the entire rest of the market is succeeding, combined."

Show threadDemocracy Dies in DumbassMay 29, 2024
@mhoye People got it out of their system and realize that until battery capacity improves it's not worth the effort and the thousands of dollars it costs to install a decent charger in your garage.
Show threadmhoyeMay 29, 2024
@ShredderFeeder Speaking as somebody who did that, the number of thousands of dollars it costs to install a decent charger in your garage is "0.7" and it pays for itself in a few weeks.
Show threadDemocracy Dies in DumbassMay 29, 2024

@mhoye

1. My garage is on the opposite side of my house from my electrical panel.

2. My electrical panel is full.

3. Installing a car charger would involve upgrading the feed from the street to support the extra 50A circuit.

4. If you found a qualified, licensed electrician to do that job for $700 including the cost of the charger, please give me his name, because he's the cheapest electrician I've ever heard of.

Show threadThe Flight AttendantMay 29, 2024
@ShredderFeeder @mhoye Our panel is full too but we previously had a Nissan leaf and the charger that it came with just plugged into a regular plug. It only did slow charging but that worked for us
Show threadDemocracy Dies in DumbassMay 29, 2024
@CosmicTraveler @mhoye I had a friend buy one of those a few years back. I think he took it back after about two weeks and bought a Prius.
Show threadJanne MorenMay 29, 2024
@ShredderFeeder @CosmicTraveler @mhoye
L2 charging is all you need at home. You have plenty of time to charge while parked. And it's better for the battery. Save fast charging for road trips.
Show threadDemocracy Dies in DumbassMay 29, 2024

@jannem @CosmicTraveler @mhoye When I do road trips I do straight through trips. (half of my annual mileage is my summer beach trip, and I usually do it in a single drive with a 10 minute gas break.

530 miles in about 6 hours. Can't do that in an electric.

Show threadAri GesherMay 29, 2024

@ShredderFeeder @jannem @CosmicTraveler @mhoye

You would need maybe two charge stops. So it would take 40 minutes total, 30 additional minutes.

Definitely sounds like a dealbreaker to me.

Show threadDemocracy Dies in DumbassMay 29, 2024
@arigesher @jannem @CosmicTraveler @mhoye The last 100 or so miles is charger-station-free backwater South Carolina. So it would have to be one good charge at the halfway point more likely...and you'd coast into that one on your last electrons..
Show threadAri GesherMay 29, 2024

@ShredderFeeder @jannem @CosmicTraveler @mhoye sure, if you’re driving a Leaf or something.

300 miles and 75% fast charge has become roughly standard.

You charge to 200 at 250 and 450 miles, and roll into the beach with 120 miles in the battery.

Show threadBilly O'NealMay 29, 2024
@arigesher 300 *EPA* miles and 75% fast charging are fairly standard but you don't see that in real highway conditions. Comfortable range for most EVs on a road trip is well inside 200 miles. Yes, there are things that have more range, but to make use of that range you have to charge more slowly which makes the overall trip longer.
Show threadAri GesherMay 30, 2024

@malwareminigun but a bigger battery will still charge quickly to 75% (my car has a bigger battery since it’s heavy).

Smaller batteries will cut down the charge stop time to under 20 minutes, no?

The takeaway is really: yes, it’s a little slower. But often that just doesn’t really matter; sometimes it does.

Show threadBilly O'NealMay 30, 2024
@arigesher Charge rate is correlated with pack size but is not entirely pack size. For instance, EGMP vehicles like my Ioniq 5 have smaller batteries than most Teslas, but charge much Much faster. That means EGMP wins road trips even though they have smaller batteries.... as long as the charger is working :)
Show threadAri GesherMay 30, 2024
@malwareminigun damn you and your 800v goodness!
Show threadBilly O'NealMay 30, 2024
@arigesher As soon as superchargers open up that will be the great equalizer there since they're not 800V capable. I tested on a Magic dock ( https://www.plugshare.com/location/230737 ) and it's much much slower :(
Pikes Peak Charging | Divide, CO | EV Station

A scenic location with a view of Pikes Peak. Shared Charging 62.5 KW max. From Scott, the owner: The stations are designed to distribute 62.5 KW, max, and they share a 3-phase 125 KW circuit. I am the only DCFC station in CORE's service area that is not owned by CORE. My peak demand charge is based on my busiest 15 minutes no matter the time of day. If I let a full 125 KW flow for 15 minutes, then my power bill STARTS at ~$1900. Please understand that I do not make money off of these stations, They are a gift to you. They are not here to drive traffic to Margaret's Munchies. They are there for you fellow EV drivers. I wish I could make them faster and less expensive, but I am doing the best that I can.

Show threadTom
@malwareminigun @arigesher Even better will be NEVI chargers every 50 miles instead of paying over-inflated prices to charge slower than current generation chargers support.
Jun 20, 2024 at 3:06pmWeb
Show threadBilly O'NealJun 20, 2024

@drdabbles @arigesher don't think NEVI is going to lower cost, just make available at all. Also unfortunately the places that really need every 50 miles like that (Wyoming, Dakotas, etc.) are not getting it anytime soon because the reason nothing is there is that nothing is there.

Like that stretch of i90 with billboards for > 50 miles in each direction of Wall going "we have a drug store"

On the plus side pretty much every ev does a lot more then 50 miles so this isn't the end of the world