Potatos_are_not_friendsThis is my reason for joining "Fuck Cars"
Which one holds more cargo?
Well now I want an airplane to park next to them.
XhieronThe thing that did it for me is the picture making the rounds of the truck sight lines showing the M1 as safer than an F250 in terms of blind spot. These things are really ridiculous.
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murphThere is one, right behind the larger truck.
From what I’ve heard they’re the same bed size
Those monster-truck wheels have to take a lot of usable space.
The small one has a lower bed, but it’s higher over the wheels. It all depends on how the bed is arranged around those. I’m really curious about those, just not enough to do some research…
The Taco can’t carry 4ft wide goods between the wheel wells, that SD can. Bed length is about the same on these two trucks (too small). The 5ft beds were for toys on mini trucks and they haven’t changed any. Real work gets done in 6.75 and 8ft beds.
In the bed? It’s nearly the same size. New trucks are just jacked up with larger tires and an inflated plastic shell. Size sells even if it’s all fat. Yeah- the newer model added the passenger space so you can preserve your manhood when driving the kids around… but bed space hasn’t changed much.
It’s not necessarily even consumer demand. Truck size and the EPA standards are linked for some reason. Essentially bigger trucks are allowed to have worse mileage.
This story talks about it. There are probably but better sources, but the point remains.
I would actually argue that many truck drivers don’t want a bigger vehicle. Mid size trucks came back on the market after a long hiatus. There are even a number of compact trucks available now, like the Maverick, Santa Cruz, etc.
snooggumsIt’s not necessarily even consumer demand. Truck size and the EPA standards are linked for some reason
The reason should be obvious, large trucks are going to always have worse mileage because they are meant to move large loads. That requires large, stronger engines, and the power needed will always have a similar fuel ratio.
The problem is that there is no good method of making rules about who needs a large truck vs a car for commuting, which is where feul efficiency actually matters. Someone could be doing home landscaping that means a personal truck makes sense, or could have a large trailer they tow that requires a large truck. Does someone need a business to have horses and a horse trailer that requires a large truck?
So unless they want to ban large trucks altogether, there does need to be lower mpg standards for large trucks. The problem with random people using them to commute can’t be solved by fuel standards. Honestly, the best way to reduce fuel consumption would be improving public transportation.
What about making these massive trucks require a CDL to drive? Sure some would be dedicated enough to do it, but im sure most people would see that requirement and just get something more reasonable.
I think a CDL would be overkill, but having a separate license like with motorcycles wouldn’t be too bad and could be based of curb weight + hauling and towing capacity so that it covers ridiculously oversized SUVs.
Size could play a factor too, which would encourage the companies to build for target sizes and weights instead of just going bigger constantly.
The problem is that there is no good method of making rules about who needs a large truck vs a car for commuting
No, the problem is that nobody should need either vehicle for commuting because the real issue is ending car dependency as a whole, but anti-big-truck circlejerk posts like this one are exceedingly effective at distracting the community from that point.
Why do people only talk about bed size, payload and towing capacities are far more important when it comes to trucks. Yeah the trucks are larger than needed, but they haul and tow more as well. They are for different things.
That’s great but I simply do not believe most truck owners with these massive trucks are even thinking about towing or load capacity. Anecdotally, most of the people I know just want enough bedspace to be able to move thier couch when they switch apartments. I think most trucks could be a lot smaller and most people wouldn’t be affected
Can also just rent a truck from HD for like $40 as well…
Preaching to the choir, man
Duallies with caps. Just fucking why? You can’t hitch a gooseneck. Are you hauling lead block?
Also, weekend warriors need to learn to just rent trucks from home depot or uhaul.
Part of the problem people have with these large trucks is many of them rarely carry more cargo than the cargo capacity of a sedan. Is the extra fuel, maintaince, bigger tires and upfront cost really worth it to move 2 or 3 over sized items a year?
We get if you are hauling trailers, equipment or tools frequently but many people buy these trucks just so they can commute to an office job or other job that doesn’t require that power or capacity.
blazeraNeither of them seem to be holding cargo
The superduty, and it’s not even close.
2001 Tacoma: 1,600lb in the bed or 5,000lb towed 22/25 mpg EPA 2018 F250: 3130lb in the bed or 17,600lb towed (not EPA tested, real world 16mpg, Lie-O-Meter usually shows 18mpg)
I really don’t understand the fetish for small pickup trucks. They aren’t coming back, if only due to safety standards. Plus, you can’t get in them while wearing a hard hat.
I really don’t understand the fetish for small pickup trucks. They aren’t coming back, if only due to safety standards. Plus, you can’t get in them while wearing a hard hat.
The smaller trucks are primarily for non-business uses like hauling smaller amounts of lumber or mulch, possibly with a smaller trailer in tow. You know, situations where nobody is wearing a hard hat.
Do people really get into trucks with hard hats on?
Do people really get into trucks with hard hats on?
Every day.
Why not use a regular pickup truck for the smaller amounts? They have them for rent at every Home Depot. I’ve never understood keeping a toy pickup around to haul some bags of mulch, minivan does the same thing.
Minivan is enclosed and you can’t hose it out.
A minvan is just an enclosed truck anyway.
People pussy foot around the answer and give you the wrong answer of the same, but the f-150 can haul up to 1000kg and tow 6300kg while the ranger can haul 850kg and tow a whooping 3,400kg.
Tye fullsize has more payload and towing
What i don’t understand is how fuel efficiency does not seem to be a concern of an average buyer? It is a large factor for me, and I’m proud to have highly efficient car for its class. Are those large trucks somehow more efficient than older, smaller models? Or are average buyers just not concerned with efficiency?
Well not everyone has seen the light of factorio, so i might be over-fixating on efficiency.
Oh, they don’t care. Didn’t you know the price of gas is always the fault of the opposing parties last or current elected president??? That’s the AMERICAN way! Blame everybody else, and never accept the consequences for your own actions.
Yeah all the people bitching about gas prices are getting 8-12 mpg in these things, filling a 25 gallon tank once a week. A lot of these folks aren’t exactly rich either and the trucks are expensive. They’re paying a mortgage payment in monthly fuel, insurance, and loan expenses on these things.
If they could keep their egos in check, they’d save a lot of money.
KaRunChiyOr the fuckers rolling coal in lifted diesel pickup trucks. Like if you drive in that trash your opinion on gas prices is null
vaultdweller013My 91 Cherokee has better mileage than a lot of modern cars, I think the last time I did some basic calculations it came out to about 25 MPG.
For people in modern countries - that’s about 28 litres per 100km that these selfish, thoughtless fuckers are going through. Cunts
My wee car uses about 5.5 for reference
Kept reading about the fuel costs but never bothered to do the conversion. I understood they drank a lot so didn’t feel the need to know exactly how much…didn’t realize it was quite that high. Fucking hell… And I thought 10-15 was a lot for a car.
Part of the issue is that, despite people whining about how “high” fuel prices are, they are extremely low compared to most of the world, even during periods where it’s higher than usual. Although a sustained period of higher than usual can get some to switch, like the period around the financial crisis.
To put this into perspective, current petrol prices are hovering just below £1.50 per litre in the UK, that’s $8.64 / gallon
Got myself blocked by a friend who was bitching about the high cost of gasoline and pointed out how cheap gas actually is in the US because its subsidized so much. Wait, the block came later when he was complaining about welfare queens or something. I mentioned that was an interesting take from a farmer since they are the biggest welfare queens in the country.
My coworker complains about gas every other day. Like asshole, you drive your pickup truck three miles to work.
It’s a 8 minute bike ride.
The diesel HD trucks can average nearly 20mpg, and the diesel half tons can get almost 30. The gas trucks will get 10-17mpg with good highway tires. Off road tires bring it down to 8-15.
I’m completely in agreement that the people bitching about fuel prices are often the ones driving something like this. My truck is an HD gasser and I pay 4.50 a gallon right now. Sure it sucks, but I have a need for a truck. Other guys just drive them to an office job where a smaller fun car could easily get the job done. In a surprising twist though of just efficiency and aero dynamics my twin turbo V8 sports sedan will pull almost 28mpg on the freeway. Both are not hybrid.
I have definitely said though that I wish there was a hybrid gas HD truck. It makes perfect sense. If I need to run a welder or other high power usage tool I would love to have that capability, while still being able to tow 17k pounds no problem and carry 6 people comfortably. They have already proven it works with the F150 power boost, and that gets almost 28mpg freeway.
cooljimy84Wait that’s still the mpg in the us ? That’s the same gallon we use in the uk ? (As I learnt the a us gallon can be different when talking about whisky or some thing along those lines…)
They are different standards, 100%! I hate that MPG in both English speaking countries means two different things. It’s like how Americas horsepower number is different than Britains. I feel bad for Canada too who’s caught between British units and American Units, and that’s before being dragged into the metric vs imperial. It’s unfortunate.
Eh, we Canadians officially use L/100km, which just make so much more sense to compare fuel efficiency. MPG can be so misleading.
Correct, but you use imperial units for home building. Which I imagine is annoying and confusing.
UK mpg are different than US mpg, it looks like 1 mpg US is ~1.2 mpg UK
That seems backwards. Since a US gallon is smaller than imperial, the same car should drive further on an Imperial gallon.
Different gallons. One US gallon is 0.832674 UK gallons, or 3.785412 liters.
An imperial gallon is slightly bigger than a US gallon.
I’m getting 30mpg in the hybrid Maverick, I won’t buy anything else for my employees.
Fuel efficiency is a consideration but if you want a truck you really don’t have many options. You would think the mid size ones do ok but they really don’t, at least mine didn’t. I just got a full size diesel truck which can get around 30mpg on highway but usually the diesel engine costs more than the price difference of using a gas engine over like, a lot of years. (20mpg vs 30mpg but $5k more at purchase. Can buy a lot of gas for $5k).
Full size trucks can get about 22 mpg highway. A 2011 Ford Ranger, the last year they were made, got 19 highway, with the v6…
They have gotten more fuel efficent.
Light truck fuel efficiency has slowly been dragged up kicking and screaming by CAFE “fleetwide” rate by .25 to 1.3 MPG per year over the last decade or so. If memory serves we get 1.7 more MPG on light trucks in 2025.
Not sure if you’re aware but Ford has resumed production of the Ranger, it’s just now the same size as the Chevy Colorado: huge.
Im aware. I dont consider it to really be a ranger
Sir_KevinWith all due respect, those numbers are terrible.
Gods I’d love A small truck like that if they made them, I know this is fuck cars and I agree with the sentiment, but I’d much rather these be everywhere than the monstrosities on the road today
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We’ve met, and it goes too far in the tiny direction and can’t drive on highways. It’s like suggesting a moped to someone who wants a smaller street bike.
Aren’t those illigal to drive in most of the US? Besides that, they also cap at like 60mph, right? That really limits thier usefulness in a lot of the US, these are mostly good for cities, right?
Don’t get me wrong I love kei trucks, but I think having small regular pickups would help a ton too.