return2ozmaApple announced RCS with a whimper when it should have been a bang
tb_Of course it’s a whimper, Timmy wants you to buy your mom an iPhone to chat.
coffinwoodThat’s it, for Apple the mere mention is already too much. Why would anyone want compatibility if they also just could buy an Apple product?
Also the reason why ipads and Vision don’t support multiple users: not only should you buy an Apple product, but so do your partner, parents, kids, etc.
sigmaklimgrindsetThis makes me so mad. I swapped over to an iPhone because my parents are old, don’t want to deal with technology anymore, and just want to be able to video call me when I work on the other side of the world.
Great for them, but now I can’t really easily video chat or text with any of my other friends because Apple makes anything other than Facetime/iMessage on iOS a dogshit experience. Signal/Telegram/Whatapp notifications randomly mute for me for no reason.
And you know what double sucks? If it wasn’t so locked in, I would actually love my iPhone. Apple Pay with it’s unique credit card number per transaction means I haven’t had my credentials stolen in like 5 years. Bluetooth pairing and swapping is seamless and easy (yes even with non-Apple devices). Apple Music is actually better quality than Spotify and lets me upload my own library with no issues. And ofc phone itself is a really nice piece of hardware with a long support cycle. I’m still running my iPhone X (2017) without having to worry about security or software updates.
But fuck them for their “Apple only” bullshit, and every costing more than their Android counterpart. I’m so sick of their “walled garden”.
That’s the Apple way. Apple hasn’t compared the iPhone to another phone since the first phone announcement. They pretend other phones don’t exist (this is the fastest iPhone yet!). So it makes sense that a feature to communicate with other phones isn’t given much importance.
They compare platforms from time to time, mostly indirectly. Android gets a mention concerning OS version fragmentation.
Right, but they don’t even condizer iphone a “smartphone”. The iPhone is an iPhone.
They don’t consider the iPhone a smartphone… because they refer to it by its name?
I’ve got some news for you, Samsung, OnePlus, etc all call their devices by their brand names in announcements/advertising too.
SemWhat android application supports RCS except Google Messages? So, for me it is not about “allowing iOS users communicate with Android users”, but about allowing communications between iMessage users and Google Messages users.
Bingo. RCS is yet another proprietary protocol, one controlled by Google and without an open specification. RCS also doesn’t have a standardised approach to encryption as it’s designed for lawful interception.
So unless Apple have licensed Google’s implementation/extension of RCS, this will be a shitty, insecure way to communicate between the Apple Messages and Google Messages apps and nothing more.
Google did an impressive job applying pressure and suggesting RCS was a perfect solution when in fact it’s just putting more control in Google’s hands. RCS is not an open “industry” standard. You nor I as individuals can implement it without paying license fees to see the specification and fees to have our implementations tested and accredited.
And Google have extended GSMA’s RCS with their own features (such as encryption) which is not part of the official standard and they haven’t made open either.
If Apple had been pressuring Google to implement the iMessage protocol or whatever, we’d have been up in arms (and rightfully so).
And instead of us all collectively hounding Apple and Google to ditch proprietary protocols and move to open ones such as Matrix, Signal, XMPP, etc (ones where we could all implement, use open source software clients, etc) we’ve got this shit:
Proprietary, insecure, non-private communication protocols baked into the heart of hundreds of millions of devices that everyone is now going to use by default instead of switching to something safer, private, public, open, auditable, etc etc.
TrickDacyIf Apple had been pressuring Google to implement the iMessage protocol
Lololol
Yes and if christians had been pressuring congregations to worship Satan that woulda been super upsetting too.
IronKrillThey never argued that Apple would do that, it was clearly an example only.
Nobody said Apple would do that. I don’t know where you got that from.
They said that if Apple were to use their clout to pressure others into using an Apple-controlled ecosystem, people would be angry about it.
Aw poor wittle apple twied to make a text standawd but big bad google refused! uWu!
Samsung messages was using RCS since 2012… Years before Google messages adopted it.
There are others out there that use it but call it by different names like “advanced messaging”, “SMS+” etc
Google was the first to add e2e encryption and push it hard though, but if you send a RCS message from Google messages to Samsungs messages app, it won’t have e2e, and most likely will be the same with messaging Apple.
But given how much Apple have fought to make it hard (or at least inconvenient) to message between them, and shut down any apps that made messaging between Apple and Android better, this is a big step for Apple
There always will be a divide between those who use technology as a means to an end and those whose end is technology.
If you think I’m taking a “side” with that statement you’re the latter.
If you think that’s a dig at anyone it’s probably because you think people care what phone you have, or that I’m trying to sneakily insinuate that you’re not doing anything by installing another flavor of Linux so you can get your dock to line up perfectly the way you want it to.
If you think people care what phone you have it’s probably because you know people who do.
If you think you have to be around those people I’m here to tell you I don’t know anyone who cares about what phone I have.
Some people think their phone is a status symbol. I just love tech for what it does. Personal phone is on Android, work phone is an iPhone. They’re both good.
Long way of saying “I don’t associate with any normies”
It’s much less abstract, directed, logically laid out and verbose.
So it is actually a useful, constructive discussion piece, instead of your quoted line.
Either that or condescending
Pretty sure they said the exact opposite of that. Judging by every one of your responses in this thread you seriously need to practice your reading comprehension.
Yup okay. I’m sure I’m just making up the simpery because no one just loves apple and defends them endlessly, they’re all stating neutral facts
willyaQuite the opposite on lemmy. People rage hard on here to the point of hopping in apple specific communities to talk about how apple is the devil. Usually most of the things these people say are not even true.
the things these people say are not comprehensive enough
Ftfy
I think this sorta misses the point, at least from my perspective. Nobody cares what phone another person has until they try to send that person a picture or a video that looks like it was sent from 2004.
I know that this is only really a problem in the United States, but that doesn’t make it any less annoying for those who have to deal with it. I have no interest trying to convince my 74 year old mother and a dozen other friends/family members to install a different messaging app on their iPhone so we can send each other videos that aren’t compressed to shit.
Most people with an iPhone just want to use the default messenger cause, frankly, iMessage works and it works really well. You know when that default Messages app doesn’t work well? When you’re forced to use an antiquated technology like SMS/MMS. Apple knows this and banks on it to sell more products. It’s one of many anti-competitive practices they employ.
RCS isn’t a perfect solution, but this is a huge step forward in closing a gap that should’ve been closed a decade ago. The colors of bubbles is not the problem, it’s just what gets press.
Mars2k21Honestly surprised at the amount of arguing over iPhones and Androids here, its 2024. It’s not that deep.
Seriously, of all things tech news related nowadays, green and blue bubbles are a non-issue. If someone has an issue with it, it’s probably worth not making it your issue as well and just walking/swiping away to find someone else to talk to.
I consistently talk to iPhone users using SMS. Besides from the occasional picture compressed into oblivion, nobody cares enough to even make jokes about the phones we are using. At the end of the day, it’s just a phone.
IIRC, it’s controlled by the carrier and not encrypted. If that’s the case, it’s bad. We’ve been moving away from carriers and internet providers, and got some privacy back by various means. Why would be roll that back?
Because everyone is too distracted by “Apple bad” to realise how truly awful RCS is.
More awful than sms?
No, but that doesn’t make it good.
The whole world except a minority moved away from SMS a long time ago.
Yes toward corporations who sell your data. Great move, big brains
Yeah because ISP’s are not giant corporations
Great point. I’m sure they’re decrypting my rcs messages somehow and selling that data. And I’m sure your response here has nothing to do with riding apple wang
there were other comments here mentioning that rcs has issues with encryption, and I don’t think handing over our private communication to isps is a step forward. It is literally a decade long step back.
I trust my data with my ISP farrrrrr more than I do meta, and also I’m very unconvinced my ISP has access to anything at all here.
You’ll still have Instagram! Don’t think of it as handing over your private communication to your phone carrier, think of it as “also having that choice”. It ps a step forward to have more choices.
I’m somewhat hopeful, since mobile carriers are somewhat regulated. They can be forced to care. Meanwhile, something like Instagram is a private company with noe oversight, who can choose to do almost anything they think will bring in more money
i use matrix lol. get lost with your condescending attitude.
Google Messages uses end-to-end encryption by default, for RCS.
That’s great that the rest of the world moved on. That doesn’t mean that those of us in locations that haven’t moved on have to use the most inferior version of messaging.
I didn’t say that, but it might explain why Apple didn’t say anything. I’m just keeping the discussion to the thread.
The only people who didn’t move on are Americans.
Nobody else uses SMS for anything else than service messages. Nobody cares about “bubble Color” in Europe, Asia or Africa
They’ve moved on to specific platforms, not open standards. That’s not a good thing. Remember when Twitter replaced RSS for most folks?
DeceptichumI fucking love SMS.
Might be a 10thDentist take, but I could be surprised.
It’s reliable in specific use cases, I’ll give it that.
They’ve moved on to specific platforms, not open standards. Ultimately, that’s not a good thing. Like when Twitter effectively replaced RSS for a lot of use cases.
Apple being shit has been proven time and again. This is just the latest edition
Except RCS isn’t awful at all. It’s also end to end encrypted on androids. If Apple’s participation isn’t encrypted, that’s on Apple.
Only Google’s proprietary extension has encryption. The actual industry standard specification of RCS has no encryption defined at all.
Yes, that’s the right thing todo. My understanding was that Google went down this path and didn’t succeed, so went ahead with their own. Maybe have the other major mobile os onboard will be enough to get the carriers off their asses
So….Apple good?
I’ll take that as a win!
Well find out when they push the update.
devfuuuDoesn’t rcs depend on having mobile data or internet access on? If I understand it right it is strictly worse than sms.
Many people just have data off most of the time and sending messages with the system app assumes things are delivered immediately and everyone easily receives them. If you forget your data is off or don’t have internet for a while then you end up assuming people received stuff when they didn’t.
All phone isps have basically unlimited sms for free when data is paid in huge amounts of gold.
Sms > Rcs
It’s not worse than SMS in any fashion. Just like SMS, RCS will tell you when your text is actually delivered. You will never assume somebody received something that they didn’t. Furthermore RCS offers read receipt functionality which will additionally let you know your message was read. SMS is not capable of that.
And as for having no data connection, your phone will fall back to SMS same as iMessages do.
Most people definitely DONT have unlimited data plans. In fact they are so limited and expensive that many just have the data turned off and rely on public wifi connections everywhere they go to use internet.
Nobody needs to bother with sms delivery because it just works. The only time it doesn’t is if someone has their phones turned off.
Sending media is just a nice to have, not necessary.
Nope, most people do have unlimited data plans. And unless you live in some tiny, mountainous, Eastern European backwater, the plans aren’t actually that expensive either. And even if you truly are a time traveler from the year 2002 like you appear to be, even if you have an incredibly limited 5GB data plan, you’ll be happy to know that even if you reach your data cap, you will still have data connectivity enough to use RCS without issue. All that happens when you “run out” of data on phone plans is your throttled down to a slower speed that is still more than sufficient to sent text messages over RCS.
My experience is that the tiny, mountainous, Eastern European backwaters are the places with the cheapest plans, and places like Germany and Canada have the worst ones.
LucidlethargyThis makes no sense. Apple is bad, and also I end encrypted messaging. It’s called Signal. It’s free for iOS and Android both.
Delusion6903I love Signal and use it with my family which is the majority of my messaging. But I was surprised to find out the rest of my family on iPhone are missing features I have on Android. This doesn’t help bring the iPhone users.
You’d have to ask Apple that question.
RCS was designed to be implemented by the carriers, but all the carriers tried it, failed to gain any traction, and dropped support again, so now the only server is the Google one which is used automatically by the Google messaging app.