John Gruber

The Talk Show Live From WWDC 2024 is now up at YouTube. Special guests Craig Federighi, Joz, and mostly aptly for this year, John Giannandrea (Apple’s head of machine learning and AI). Fantastic audience at the California Theatre in San Jose. Hope you enjoy watching it as much as I enjoyed hosting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7al_Gpolb8

The Talk Show Live From WWDC 2024

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Jun 15, 2024 at 12:52amIvory for Mac
Show threadFilmgeek47Jun 15, 2024
@gruber John, watching this via AVP was a real treat, on top of a fantastic set of interviews. Thanks for all your hard work.
Show threadKyle NazarioJun 15, 2024
@gruber I really enjoyed the talk, especially your question about bringing DMA changes worldwide. The hard “no” was not shocking but newsworthy. Don’t think if I’ve seen them answer that specific question before
Show threadTim WIcinskiJun 15, 2024

@gruber “just call me jg”

Dude never changes.

Show threadBoris YurkevichJun 15, 2024
@gruber BEST 👏🏻SHOW 👏🏻 OF THE YEAR.
Show threadswingerofbirchJun 15, 2024
@gruber I've watched the first hour (low attention span—I watch in chunks). I think this is a second year in a row there was been a pot-shot at Facebook, which seems funny considering how deeply embedded Facebook was into OS X at one point (posting from the Notifications Side panel, pulling down profile pics to contacts) and now with ChatGPT getting integration, and it similarly being run by a young and (maybe?) rash but at least cunning wunderkind. And he's ahead of Zuckerberg's curve in terms of Congressional hearings!
Show threadadacostaJun 15, 2024
@swingerofbirch @gruber At one point, Facebook felt like it was a second Internet, it was the place to be, catch up with friends and family. But then it changed. That #wsj D interview Steve Jobs gave back in the 2010, I think they internally started evaluating the risk of weaving these social networks throughout the OS. They likely saw the lack of asking permission becoming a problem and #facebook becoming more ad than community base.
Show threadswingerofbirchJun 15, 2024
@adacosta @gruber I feel like with this there is already the same level of concern now with ChatGPT as emerged with Facebook—whether that concern is warranted or not is another question—but they either need it enough they want to do it anyway or they want to befriend it/contain it so they're doing it anyway (better to make a component of an OS lest AI obviates traditional OSes some day?). I'm personally not concerned about ChatGPT. I know people in general are scared of AI, there was the Scarlett Johansson thing (again maybe that was nothing), and then the way the company is run with Altman out and back in (again I don' t know what that was about but this is obviously a company that is both powerful but also fly by the seat-of-your-pants), and then just people's general wariness of things and people who are extremely clever. And yet they still wanted/needed the partnership. Even if it were squeaky clean with no smoke and run by an old blue-chip company like IBM, anything as revelatory as ChatGPT has been will be met with some trepidation.
Show threadadacostaJun 15, 2024
@swingerofbirch Its multiple reasons why #Apple chose #ChatGPT
- #Google is embedding #Gemini in #Android - thats a big competitive threat to #iOS
- Apple doesn't want ChatGPT to become the next Google, hence the Private Cloud Compute, off by default, offering support for multiple LLMs. I bet Apple is working on theirs, probably will be ready by 2026.
- Its leverage, 2 billion plus devices, how can we get the best deal possible?
- Again, it buys time while they build out the infrastructure.
Show threadMartin the paranoid androidJun 15, 2024
@gruber most* aptly #dftypo ;)
Show threadDomJun 15, 2024
@gruber this was great. Your questions and remarks guided the conversation towards the heart of Apple’s philosophy and approach to developing its platforms.
Show threadJohn GruberJun 15, 2024
@dominoslater 🙏
Show threadCharles YingJun 17, 2024
@gruber Really great show, John! Congratulations!!
Show threadAndrew GibbonsJun 18, 2024
@gruber John, do you realise you have single-handedly revived and replaced Live Apple Keynotes with @thetalkshow Live? Thank you 🙏
Show threadAndrew GibbonsJun 6, 2025
@gruber this aged poorly
Show threadSeth KaufmanAug 18, 2024
@gruber Whenever Apple begrudgingly does anything to purportedly comply with the DMA, I think back to Craig F.’s unscripted, emotive, pained, surprised, plaintive “really?” in response to modest applause for the DMA. It seemed inconceivable to him that Apple’s most devoted users would like some of the changes required by the EU, such as alternative app stores and link outs for payment information. It’s as if there’s no debate: DMA bad, Apple good.
Show threadJohn GruberAug 19, 2024

@skDC I know what you mean. But I understand Federighi’s perspective too. The people cheering the DMA think that the DMA mostly goes after Apple on the App Store. And these people hate how Apple runs the App Store. So they cheer.

But Federighi is intimately familar with the actual scope of the DMA. Which affects Apple far beyond the App Store. (E.g. no Apple Intelligence in the EU yet.) So Federighi can’t believe that they anyone who appreciates what Apple does could support the DMA.