Natalie Boyd
Martin RundkvistIn the US, most people aren't descendants of the people who lived there before 1492. This tends to colour everyone's attitude to prehistoric archaeology. Archaeogenetics have now shown Scandinavians something unexpected. We are almost unrelated to the various groups living here before 2800 BC, including the builders of our most impressive megalithic tombs. We are not a First Nation. 2800 BC is our AD 1492.
Janne Moren@mrundkvist
I believe we learned that in ~10th grade history? We're relatively recent immigrants, displacing an earlier population.
I even remember (I guess unfounded) speculation that this is where the "troll" and "vättar" mythology comes from, where that refers to the indigenous population.
&2i@jannem @mrundkvist
I'm not sure that people in the UK get that. I think a lot believe that the Celts were the first. I'd guess other European countries might have similar misapprehensions; we don't comprehend big time distances. Genetics for sure is making a big difference in understanding of such things.
I'm not sure that people in the UK get that. I think a lot believe that the Celts were the first. I'd guess other European countries might have similar misapprehensions; we don't comprehend big time distances. Genetics for sure is making a big difference in understanding of such things.
nojhan, à gauche de Devadata@pneumaculturist @jannem @mrundkvist It's easier to realize in Spain and France, because Basques still speak the same language family than the people there before the indo-europeans migrations.
@nojhan @jannem @mrundkvist I'd be interested in the genetics. I seem to recall that Euskal Herria has a bigger than avereae pobulation of blood type A.
I 've not checked that though...
I 've not checked that though...
@pneumaculturist @jannem @mrundkvist We're long past blood type studies, now :-)
Enjoy some science:
"[…] a clear differentiation of Basques from the surrounding populations, with the non-Euskara-speaking Franco-Cantabrians located in an intermediate position. Moreover, a sharp genetic heterogeneity within Basques is observed with significant correlation with geography. Finally, the detected Basque differentiation cannot be attributed to an external origin […]"
https://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdf/S0960-9822(21)00349-3.pdf
@nojhan @jannem @mrundkvist
well it is some time since I was looking into such things 😇 tbf. Thanksfor the further info 😄
well it is some time since I was looking into such things 😇 tbf. Thanksfor the further info 😄
Virginicus@mrundkvist Surveys have shown that 90% of Americans whose family arrived before last Thursday have Native ancestry.
@Virginicus Tiny amounts. The densely populated parts of Northern America seem to have been almost laid waste by unfamiliar epidemic diseases long before any Europan person showed up to say hi.
@mrundkvist The number of us whose parents told us we had native ancestry far exceeds the genetic markers. In many cases, it was a way to justify the family fighting on the wrong side in the Civil War.
@Virginicus Cf. genetic and cultural make-up of recognised First Nations members today.