@sarajw It's a minefield here. Some companies the abbreviation of Ve for Vegan, other use Ve for Vegetarian.

I would be happier if Ve = Vegetarian

and

Pb = Plant Based (or Lead lol)

@yatil @andycarolan Mmmm. I can see the argument for it.

I am still an omnivore - but my guilt about eating meat doesn't stop there - I also see the bad side of consuming animal products entirely.

I'm at the very start of the road to veganism, I think. Still knowingly in denial. Trying to figure out how to manage feeding the family without meat and dairy. I know it's very possible, but I'm time, energy and imagination-poor.

Poor, poor excuses, I know!

@andycarolan
When I was starting to wean the boys off breastmilk the German paediatricians were all about meat - babies need iron! Feed them meat! 😩

I might ask. But the eldest is sounding more ready to try seitan based protein again, so I'll try that again soon, I still have tons of the powder, lol.

He asked also what gluten free meant, was an interesting link then to seitan and "mock chicken"

@yatil

@sarajw Sadly, not surprised by a doctor's suggestion... None of them recommend kale, nuts, legumes or seeds do they lol. Almost like the factory farming industries have some kind of influence on policy 😉

Oh yes, Seitan is basically pure gluten isn't it. I struggle to make it... it just turns out like a swollen juicy bread roll hahaha. It can be great if made properly. @yatil

@andycarolan I've had some success with seitan, but need to get back into the swing of making it. It's not too hard but yes easy to end up with something with weird consistency!

@yatil

@andycarolan @yatil I should say that it feels like Germany is on the turn.

When I first moved over, it felt like anyone who didn't want to or couldn't eat meat or bread would have a really hard time here.

That's not the case any more, and even 'vegan' is seen as a good selling point, hence all these labels.