A little fun from the FT. Apparently they don't care for American paper sizes in comparison to ISO 216 and I appreciate the poetry with which they express this. šŸ˜€

EDIT: A kind person has provided this link https://www.ft.com/content/bb9bf7c6-1785-4383-9e39-03da04a17fe2 although much of the other language employed smacks of desperation to claim credibility as a younger person and is quite cringeworthy in its use.

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@Homebrewandhacking and there’s the Imperial system…

@KatLS

Something about 5 tomatoes? Sounded wild.

@KatLS The Imperial system that Americans call "English". And yes, yes, we still do use a handful of unholy mashups (like miles for distance and mileage expressed as miles per gallon despite petrol being sold by the litre) but nobody is doing civil engineering by the bushel.

@richh @KatLS Americans do not use the Imperial measurement system: they use the American Standard measurement system, which is slightly different. Some of the names overlap, but that is it.

Also the UK went metric in 1967. The only place that it is still using Imperial measures is in pint glasses (defined in ml, fortunately) and motoring. Even National Rail switched away from "miles and chains" a decade or so ago.

I measure all distances in km, and when people ask me "what's that in miles?" I always smile and cheerily shout "Nine shillings, sixpence!!"

@spacehobo @richh @KatLS However, the American Standard measurement system defines all of its units indirectly in terms of SI units, so there is that šŸ™‚
@spacehobo @richh @KatLS Although the UK metric conversion is frustratingly incomplete. Imperial is still used frequently in a colloquial manner. And it seems unlikely we will ever get rid of miles on the roads. (The one exception I’ll make to all this: pints of beer. The UK can keep that one.)
@craiggrannell @richh @KatLS So I know people my age who get frustrated at the weird versions of imperial units showing up. Once @cmsj said to me "What's a pound? I have no experience of what that means. I know what a kilogram is: it's a bag of sugar."
@spacehobo @richh @KatLS @cmsj I grew up in the 1980s so my head is a weird jumble of metric and imperial. My wife is Icelandic and so I’ve tried to purge the remnants of imperial but room sizes (of all things) is the final one I’m struggling with. But also, after years of living in the UK I’ve noticed she now often uses imperial colloquially.
@craiggrannell @spacehobo @richh @cmsj it was destiny. Where will we be in 100 years?
@KatLS @spacehobo @richh @cmsj The UK will still inexplicably be using miles for road distances.
@craiggrannell @KatLS @richh @cmsj You don't have to use the numbers on the little signs, you know. You can just use km.
@spacehobo @craiggrannell @richh @cmsj the food companies haven’t helped because now they put 12 ounces in what used to be pound (16 ounce) containers (like coffee bags). Even canned goods are distorted. Canned pumpkin is now in 14.5 ounce cans throwing off my old church fundraiser cookbook recipes ever so slightly.😠

> civil engineering by the bushel.

this is a great name for a podcast

@richh @KatLS

@EndlessMason @richh indeed.🤣have you ever tried to get data to interact when some things are measured in bushels? And some in pounds? It’s tedious.

I haven't tried that because I don't live in Liberia or Myanmar or that other place... Best of luck though!

@KatLS @richh

@KatLS @EndlessMason @richh that would be an interesting test for LLMs.

it's going to tell you to eat glue

@robparsons @KatLS @richh

@EndlessMason @KatLS @richh by the bushel, or the chain?

Right, I mean I'm pretty sure it's a markov chain

@robparsons @KatLS @richh

@KatLS @EndlessMason I’ve made a developer cry when I told them we needed bushels as an available unit of measure (as a volume vs. Litres). Still used in agriculture (combine hopper capacity https://www.deere.com/en/harvesting/).
RoW: ā€œHow many tonnes per hour can it harvest?ā€
USA: ā€œBushels. What’s the grain hopper capacity in bushels?ā€
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The developer was likely crying because hey were somehow responsible for the type of units available on the site instead of that being a feature an admin can just set in the UI.

They were crying because you were making them mess with the data on the prod site instead of building tools to let other people do their job better.

@richh @KatLS

@EndlessMason @KatLS Since they’d architected and built the platform themself with no admin UI for managing UoM, this was somewhat on them šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø (nowt to do with me!). They hadn’t really allowed for people wanting to do volumes in anything other than litres/gallons. Twas more of a cry/laugh ā€œFML why don’t I let you lot manage this yourselvesā€. Followed by ā€œwtf are bushels?ā€ and me saying ā€œIDK either but Deere think they can be converted to litresā€.

I've been told "don't build the tool, just do it yourself" and it's never worked out for me... literally the next ticket is "oh, we gave you the wrong info, can you update it again"...

So I'll usually inflate the estimate to do I manually and then build/ship the tool, even if I'm the only one that gets the permission to use it...

They'll ask me to correct something, and I can give the same inflated estimate, polish the tool up and give out the permissions

@richh @KatLS

@richh @EndlessMason yes this. It’s crazy making.

@KatLS @Homebrewandhacking

"Imperial"‽

Heaven forfend!

1776 and all that!

"U.S. customary"

#metric

@KatLS @Homebrewandhacking

Yeah, the modern imperial system of fractions for easy combinations of weights & measures. All deliberately done for quick use. Too bad it differed per continent!

1/10 as a fraction (metric) is mildly more difficult than 1/2 (imperial). But we deal; we have calculators now and they struggled w/ displaying 1/2 vs 0.1.

Throw back, though, to the deliberate halving fractions in the ISO 216 paper areas. 😁 1/2 A0 => A1, &c. With the same aspect ratio. Brilliantly done.

@Homebrewandhacking I'm old enough to remember Britain using "foolscap" sized paper, and I heard no complaints whatsoever as it vanished in favour of A series paper.
@derryh @Homebrewandhacking today, change isn't fought because it would be worse, today, change is fought because it's change (and we did a shitty job in the recent past to make changes in a way that benefits mostly everyone).
@derryh @Homebrewandhacking fyi the UK printing industry went mainly metric some time before metrification. Mainly, I suspect because of the bewildering array of competing systems. However they still use grams per square meter which isn’t a proper unit of measure and point sizes for which every manufacturer has a slightly different definition.
@derryh @Homebrewandhacking US and Canada still have a ā€œfool’s capā€ size, which is just called ā€œlegalā€
@derryh @Homebrewandhacking the changeover happened around the time I became old enough to read and write (late 1970s) without too much fuss (although foolscap lever arch files remain popular as their extra size protects the edges of A4 paper stored inside them)

@derryh @Homebrewandhacking there were also other stupid paper sizes in use in the UK. I got marks off my 1979 school project because I did it on 10x8" paper and not the 9x7" that Primary 5s were supposed to use. The fact we couldn't find 9x7 paper in any shop didn't faze the teacher one bit

A great way to teach a 9 year old to distrust authority.

@scruss @derryh

Seems legit. Metric paper is pretty great.

@Homebrewandhacking we're finally improving on incarceration . Still šŸ¤ž for a paperless society and/or just burning all the trees
https://jabberwocking.com/raw-data-incarceration-of-black-men-has-plummeted/
Raw data: Incarceration of Black men has plummeted - Kevin Drum

The incarceration rate of the Black male community has dropped in half since 2001, from 3.3% to 1.6%. That's substantial, but even the 2022 number is largely the result of a lot of inertia: men who were imprisoned years ago with long sentences remain in prison today. But as Rick Nevin reports, the story is far better among young Black…

Kevin Drum

@PizzaDemon

You realise that graph says 1.2 million on it?

An improvement for sure.

@Homebrewandhacking so, about 2.8x the UK rate adjusting for population ratio.
https://data.justice.gov.uk/prisons
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@PizzaDemon

That is an immense amount of human life being wasted in incarceration.

@Homebrewandhacking never saw this with a diagonal line. But it makes it even more beautiful.
@compfu yeah, it's very cool. šŸ˜€
@Homebrewandhacking And they didn’t even mention date formats