So one of the biggest businesses in the world that serves by far the most consumers in the non-smartphone computing department does something incredibly harmful and it seems like the main thing Linux users are picking up from this is "oh neat what a great new recruiting tool!"

Idk man. That feels a bit gross

To be clear, the fact that a company with the power Microsoft has thought Recall is an acceptable thing to create is harmful to you even if you personally use Linux because you still have to live in this world

People who

1. Know about Recall and the threat it poses
2. Are competent enough to simply switch their whole ass operating system
3. Are going to be in your sights as someone recruiting people to Linux

are almost certainly not in the group of people who will be be victimized by this new Recall feature anyway

@eniko
After I saw the threads about it I had to go back and find what's the marketing angle, and ... okay, I can see that being useful... in some very limited scope.. maybe.

But it's too broad. Too blanket-everything. It should be granular, opt-in thing, not "big brother is enabled by default".

Their user-facing documentation seems mostly concerned about how you can limit the amount of disk space used.

@sol_hsa @eniko it doesn't even do the one thing people might really want which is saving the actual documents over time. TimeMachine has a useful purpose.

This won't even guarantee it catches what you want, since it's just random snapshots of a screen. Literal gambling it *might* catch what you find useful later. Not the documents, not any useful data.

And space wise, it's going to be a low resolution copy of something, not the original hi Rez version.

But passwords and other useful (to hackers) info, nicely stored.

@eniko yes but they are often paying Microsoft hundreds a year and have input into colossal budgets paid to Microsoft. I also do education on tech assisted IPV (detecting and managing it, not how to do it).

The cumulative antifeatures are moving the 'rusted on' Windows nerds to Linux. This will hurt Microsoft's marketshare and mindshare in the long term.

@noodle the fact that Microsoft's market share and mind share are your main concerns at this moment is precisely what @eniko is criticizing you and people like you for. Do better.
@clayote @eniko I'm not sure why you think they are my main concern, I do think they are language Microsoft shareholders understand. I was doing ad hoc teaching on recall with the social workers I work with today. I sit on governance meetings. I'm not sure how I could be doing better.
@noodle @eniko I'm sorry, I assumed too much from one post. I probably reacted badly just because the reply to a post on a sensitive matter began with the phrase "yes but".

@noodle @eniko oh, "IPV" it's Intimate Partner Violence, isn't it?

fuck me

@eniko I don't know if you've watched how Microsoft behaves as much as I have, but they have promised/threatened this kind of thing before, to much media hype, and not delivered. They promised a new filesystem (for Windows Vista) that was supposed to do similar things, but they couldn't deliver. Unless they have bought a start-up that has already built "Recall" it's probably just vapourware.

@cybervegan @eniko taking timed screenshots of a computer is ancient security functionality.

This is just dusting off corporate surveillance of employees for everyone else and calling it a 'feature'

@eniko I think it's also about breaking the market dominance of Microsoft.

They can only get away with this bullshit because they are the de-facto monopolist in the non-mobile operating-system market and don't need to care about their customers.

That's why I would expect that If more people who can switch away from Windows did exactly that, it would indirectly help those who can't switch, due to market pressure.

@soulsource not sure advocating to power users on fedi is going to be the thing that does it >_> but i understand that every little bit helps