inb4_FoundTheVeganEither ya understand why most women pick the š» or you are the š».
LEXI understand why women pick the bear, but I also understand why men are insulted. Itās not that hard to empathetic is it? Maybe Iām wrong.
Even as a dude Iād rather pick the bear over any human. Bears are somewhat predictable humans not so much
Also they can hit me up with some coke
Yeah I probably would too. I mean, āMan is the real monster!ā is an old trope for a reason.
Whatās troubling is I wouldnāt necessarily feel the same about a random (unarmed) woman in the forest and I suppose thatās the root of the feels here.
I would feel just as nervous but I do admit my history plays I big part of that
Right, thatās that gender bias I was referring to. Like not all guys are big or tough and not all women are small or meek.
I have also been in an abusive relationship and did not fully grasp the extent of the abuse until I was out. Itās insidious stuff and can affect anyone.
Thatās because even a weak man can still easily overpower a woman. A single woman is not nearly as big a threat to my physical well-being like a man would be to a woman. She would need some kind of weapon or suprise attack or some kind of thoughtful planning to get the better of me while a man can just have a change of mood and boom ā woman is in trouble.
Wow, thatāsā¦ really sexist against both men and women. I hope you donāt really think that any man can suddenly have a mood change and then overpower any woman.
Thatās disrespectful both to the manās humanity and the womanās strength
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8477683/
Is science sexist?
Gender differences in strength and muscle fiber characteristics - PubMed
Strength and muscle characteristics were examined in biceps brachii and vastus lateralis of eight men and eight women. Measurements included motor unit number, size and activation and voluntary strength of the elbow flexors and knee extensors. Fiber areas and type were determined from needle biopsie ā¦
8 (of each gender) is not a reasonable sample size.
Thatās completely fair. How about 500+?
Hand-grip strength of young men, women and highly trained female athletes - PubMed
Hand-grip strength has been identified as one limiting factor for manual lifting and carrying loads. To obtain epidemiologically relevant hand-grip strength data for pre-employment screening, we determined maximal isometric hand-grip strength in 1,654 healthy men and 533 healthy women aged 20-25 yea ā¦
She would need some kind of weapon
Fortunately itās not like we live in a country where there are more guns than people
Because if that was the case then it wouldnāt make sense to only fear certain people
CileTheSaneFortunately itās not like we live in a country where there are more guns than people
You might, but we donāt.
American is the norm here. Not everyone is American. But most are.
Weird that you take offense to that but donāt take offense to dehumanizing 50% of humanity
Recognizing that people have different experiences than you, something to appear to struggle with, is not dehumanizing 50% of humanity.
Plenty of white Christians are afraid of black people and Muslims. Accordingly they likely would prefer to encounter a bear rather than a person who is black or Muslim
Is that acceptable? After all, those white Christians likely just āhave different experiencesā than you or I. We should respect that, right?
Itās so convenient when people come out and say āI am not worth listening to or trying to have a rational conversation with.ā Saves a lot of time.
You disagree that this āmemeā furthers right wing xenophobia and racism? George Floyd likely disagrees. As do the innocent men that Fox News claims are coming to kill us in āmigrant caravans.ā Itās also this logic that allows Israel to get away with claiming they killed a Hamas fighter when they actually just murdered a 10 year old boy
or she can just shove a knife in your neck while you are asleep.
Why are people downvoting you? This is basic stuff.
If I was in the middle of a large and dense forest and saw a random woman, Iād assume she was either a witch or it was a trap
my biases/preconceived ideas of gender
Nope, itās just cold hard facts that most violent humans are mostly male
The thing is, they're not. Even those self proclaimed bear experts who say this eventually get mauled to death by them. Bears are wild animals, they're inherently a dangerous predator. A random guy could be a predator, but even then he'd be less dangerous than a bear. The chance that he IS a predator however, are much lower. People who chose the bear are simply delusional and just help rage baiters with the social divide.
I note you did not dispute my cocane claim.
There hasnāt been a wild bear sighting in my country for hundreds of years, so my fear of people is way higher than my fear of bears
The question of the bait however isn't worded in a way that takes your local fauna into consideration. It's just you, in a forest, with either a random man or a wild bear.
Like I said my frlear levels of people I donāt know male or female and everyone in-between is way higher than my fear levels of a bear.
Same, but I still don't think everyone is a predator based on their gender or sex, despite a lot of anecdotal evidence gathered throughout my life.
The question is so vague as to be essentially useless. It leaves so much to the reader to imagine that everyone is all over the place drawing different conclusions. How much does the reader know about forests? What kind of forest did they imagine? What kind of bear? When the reader imagines a random man, what pops into their mind? Does he live there, or was he randomly kidnapped and placed in the forest for the purpose of the scenario?
Further, even if we go with what some other posters are saying, and ignore the bear, itās still kind of useless, except to highlight how careful women feel they have to be around strange men.
How dangerous a bear is is pretty much irrelevant to the whole discourse but I want to talk about bears.
Black bears are absolute cowards and arenāt that dangerous unless you are an idiot
Brown bears will fuck you up if you threaten it or if it has cubs but will in most cases not attack.
Polar bears will kill you because they are bored.
My country has the highest amount of bear per person but we only have brown bears and most people have encountered a bear in the forest, itās not as scary as the idea of getting roofied and rapes. Also getting attacked by a bear is more unlikely even here than getting roofied and raped. You donāt have to worried about a bear attack while you do need to guard your drink.
1.2 deaths by black bears a year in the US. 400,000 black bears. So 3.0x10^-6 chance of being murdered by a bear adjusted per capita.
26,000 homicides a year (2021, I think itās slightly lower now but these were the first I saw whatever) for 330M puts you at 7.9x10^-5 chance of being murdered by a human adjusted per capita.
Sorry, bears win. Plus seeing a bear is cool as hell and seeing another human while hiking is annoying at best.
A lot of homicides happen within an inner circle of family & friends. You're not that close around bears to the point where they are a threat to you.
Also, the US is a terrible example for homicide statistics since it is already such an outlier. But I'm sure you know all those facts already and just try to push an agenda here.
Also, the US is a terrible example for homicide statistics since it is already such an outlier. But I'm sure you know all those facts already and just try to push an agenda here.
Nah man if I wanted to push an agenda I wouldāve adjusted the homicide rates to men instead of just humans. Lol. My only agenda is that bears are objectively cooler than humans and you should probably get over it.
I'm certainly not letting extremistic femcels forbid me to speak out against sexism.
Me, a male who enjoys animals, the femcel.
Iām just telling you bears are fucking cool and youāre not gonna fucking die if you look at one. People literally take this so seriously itās hilarious. Chill out. Maybe donāt be offended by people not being afraid of bears because itās pretty fucking unlikely you know anyone who has been harmed by one, also theyāre cute, also seeing wild animals is part of hiking and very exciting. You donāt need to be the center of every humans attention at all times. Youāll be okay.
Iām just telling you men are fucking cool and youāre not gonna fucking die if you look at one. People literally take this so seriously itās hilarious. Chill out. Maybe donāt be offended by people not being afraid of men because itās pretty fucking unlikely you know anyone who has been harmed by one, also theyāre cute, also seeing other humans is part of life and very exciting. You donāt need to be the afraid of every man at all times. Youāll be okay.
Youā¦ really think I donāt know anyone who has been harmed by men? Likeā¦ doā¦ you really?
Like I get the hahaha copy paste and change word but that only works if it worksā¦ and that doesnāt?
Alright. You don't know anyone harmed by a bear. Fair enough. Then put your money where your mouth is. Give us an estimate of how many personal interactions with men said person who got harmed had in her life, then go out and have the same amount of up close and personal contact with wild bears. I'm sure they don't care about the testers gender so your friend won't have to be put in harms way and surely won't miss you as a potential rapist anyway. Once you reach that same number we can compare the good, the bad, the ugly. That way we truly know who's the more dangerous predator.
I mean sure if you wanna pay for my years of research chillin with bears Iāll do it. Should only take like 3 years.
Why would I have to pay to prove your absurd logic? Would I have to pay for your funeral too?
Youāre the one who desperately needs exact perfect research in order to believe whatever you want even though it literally doesnāt matter because fear cares about perceived experience and not reality. So if you want it so bad you can pay me to research it for you. Iām not the one having a hard time understanding why women would choose to encounter a bear over a man. I donāt need someone to research that for me.
Youāre the one who desperately needs exact perfect research in order to believe whatever you want...
I guess you'd also argue that the world is flat, covid was a hoax, 5G is deadly, and immigrants are replacing white people - all because of your feefees.
... even though it literally doesnāt matter because fear cares about perceived experience and not reality.
Yes, thank you for finally agreeing with me that it is irrational and that you shouldn't accuse an entire gender of being dangerous sexual predators on something like that.
So please stop supporting make believe, because what you're doing is literally socially destructive if you haven't guessed by now with how much this rage bait alone is dividing people.
Iām genuinely curious on what the math works out to, but I think youād need to account for time spent around each, or a āper encounterā statistic or something.
Otherwise there could be a scenario where the bear encounter is 100% deadly for example, but if most bears are never encountered itād make them seem safer.
Of course, this scenario is specifically an encounter in the woods, so itād need to be something like: total encounters between women and bears in the woods vs total encounters with women and men in the woods, and then factor in non-deadly encounters, other forms of assault, etc. That probably has next to no useful data though so good luckā¦
I mean, yeah I A: have no real fucks to give about this argument. B: Bears are cooler than humans men can get over it. C: used the stats I could get from a quick google, not gonna do an entire scientific study just to tell men to get fucked, as funny as it would be.
You also need to adjust for amount of time spent in bear territory or bear encounters vs attacks to get a more accurate statistic.
But I donāt have to. Itās about perception. Fear is not based in reality. It doesnāt matter what is actually true but what is perceived to be true. People see people being murdered 30x more often by people than by bears per capita. Ignoring per capita, and itās 23,000x more than bears. It makes plenty of sense to fear humans more than bears based on that alone. Fear is not going to go āoh but actually statistically speaking in order to be afraid I really should do a scientific study to see who in a āalone in the woods at nightā scenario is more likely to kill me before I am afraid!ā Itās gonna go with the fact that you see and experience humans killing other humans a LOT more than you experience bears killing humans. Also, Iāve conveniently ignored plenty of stats other than literal homicide you have to worry about from men.
Also, again, none of this matters what does is that bears are objectively cooler than humans, the end.
I mostly agree, but youāre still trying to inaccurate statistics to justify fear
Hm I wonder if any right wing political parties have ever done this to dehumanize outgroups and promote fascism? š¤
I wonder if anyone who is Muslim, Black, or Jewish has any thoughts on this history of such dehumanization and inaccurate perceptions š¤
snakes are wild animals, theyāre inherently a dangerous predator
Thatās how you sound. Have you been outside?
Have you seen the size of snakes indigenous to north america? And the size of bears indigenous to NA?
If you think a snake is even remotely comparable to a freaking bear then you're just proving my point of you people being completely delusional.
I couldnāt find exact numbers, but it seems bears kill about 40 people a year. Snakes kill 60,000.
Brown bear attacks on humans: a worldwide perspective - Scientific Reports
The increasing trend of large carnivore attacks on humans not only raises human safety concerns but may also undermine large carnivore conservation efforts. Although rare, attacks by brown bears Ursus arctos are also on the rise and, although several studies have addressed this issue at local scales, information is lacking on a worldwide scale. Here, we investigated brown bear attacks (nā=ā664) on humans between 2000 and 2015 across most of the range inhabited by the species: North America (nā=ā183), Europe (nā=ā291), and East (nā=ā190). When the attacks occurred, half of the people were engaged in leisure activities and the main scenario was an encounter with a female with cubs. Attacks have increased significantly over time and were more frequent at high bear and low human population densities. There was no significant difference in the number of attacks between continents or between countries with different hunting practices. Understanding global patterns of bear attacks can help reduce dangerous encounters and, consequently, is crucial for informing wildlife managers and the public about appropriate measures to reduce this kind of conflicts in bear country.
Not comparable statistic because population differences and the general circumstances. People get bitten by snakes not because snakes hunt people, but because people tend to stumble upon snakes without noticing them. A hungry bear is able to sniff, track and actively hunt you. You cannot even outrun them. You cannot climb up a tree to protect yourself from them either.
not because snakes hunt people
Pythons do attack children, although a grown woman is probably safe. Many small venomous snakes are attracted to the warmth of sleeping humans, and donāt take too kindly to the human rolling over / swatting at them in their sleep.
A hungry bear is able to sniff, track and actively hunt you.
The vast majority of bear attacks occur when the human either accidentally ambushes the bear, or goes near a bear cub. Afaik only male polar bears hunt humans, and they do it extremely rarely, only as a last resort.
Consider what you just said about bears.
Now consider that any woman you tell that to is still likely to pick the bear than the strange man who spouts statistics about bear attacks in order to be picked to spend time alone with her in the woods.
This discussion isnāt about statistics. The fact that a woman can tell you directly what she wants, and you can tell her sheās wrong because of xyz, is why it will always and forever be the bear.
is still likely to pick the bear
The hypothetical bear, sure
Or or or
Wild thought here
Maybe women who pick the bear are the problem, not the men who fail to simp for her shit misandrist takes.
If you say something stupid, and I call you out for saying something stupid, Iām not the problem. You are.
I love how you went from "all men are rapists" to "you specifically are a rapist because you don't like to be called a rapist". It's literally an ad hominem because you cannot actually provide a rational answer, since it isn't a rational point of view to be had.
I'm not stopping you from cuddling with wild bears, but I highly doubt you'd be willing to put your money where your mouth is, which clearly shows your hypocritical sexist agenda. Otherwise, please give us a rough estimate of the amount of your average personal interactions with men throughout your life and use that number for the amount of wild bears you have to get up close and personal to, to prove that you aren't just spreading a femcel point of view that's just spreading further social division.
And if you really want to know me, I don't even want to have anything to do with anyone, regardless of gender. Humans all fucking suck, because there's so many people like you who are just shit stains to this world and make it this terrible hell hole that it is. I would want you all to be good and actually decent human beings, but you'll also tell me that I'm wrong because of xyz. Because no one fucking likes being irrationally judged for things they haven't done or would never ever do. And until this fact gets through to you, you will actively work on making this world worse.
Consider what you just said about bears.
Now consider that any Evangelical Christian you tell that to is still likely to pick the bear than the strange Muslim who spouts statistics about bear attacks in order to be picked to spend time alone with her in the airport.
This discussion isnāt about statistics. The fact that an Evangelical Christian can tell you directly what she wants, and you can tell her sheās wrong because of xyz, is why it will always and forever be the bear.
The point is that women can also be bigots - including sexists. Itās benevolent misogyny to presume that theyāre too weak and naive to do so
youre the reason women pick beat
I know I'm a good person. Meanwhile you on your high horse are here directly insulting and gaslighting me. Really proves a point of who's the predator & abuser.
This was never meant to be taken that literally. All it ever was supposed to be was a metaphor for violence perpetuated against women by showcasing how those numbers far exceed the numbers for injuries inflicted by a known danger to humans. Anyone seriously discussing the real-world dangers of bear encounters vs men has already entirely lost the plot from the very start.
The ones who entirely lost the plot are those who are supporting this completely moronic claim, as they're an accomplice to how our societies become more and more divided, which is exactly the whole point of this rage bait & spread through meme formats like this.
Remember when the IRA did literally the same fucking thing with BLM? The only reason this works is because people like you become emotionally irrational, dying on this very hill of utter stupidity, because it makes you think it gives you some sort of moral high ground.