Become one with nature

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Become one with nature - Lemmy.World

I see lots of competing discussion on whether this is a bs wives tale or not.
Its enough of an excuse to eat more delicious honey though
Oh so you just want everyone to be sticky???
I’d prefer everyone be slippery but sticky is acceptable.
Meet me at the truck stop in an hour. Stall #3.

Honey is better for you than refined sugar.

Also, getting local honey helps limit your carbon footprint and helps out your region economically.

Honey is refined sugar. Just because a bee did the refining doesn’t make it any healthier than Fritolay doing it
Honey is filled with nutrients and antioxidants. Refined sugar is filled with refined sugar.
The amount of nutrients and antioxidants you’re getting in the amount of honey you consume is negligible at best. It’s a spoon full of calories.
Calories isn’t the worst part. It’s a spoonful of insulin spike.
Bees never put a chemical fat substitute that causes Anal Leakage in their potato chips.
They can’t be perfect
My one gripe with bees is they aren’t the direct cause of my anal leakage

Its not 1 to 1.

https://www.healthline.com/health/food-nutrition/honey-vs-sugar

Based on that, honey is denser so you need less of it. And while it is refined, it is less refined than sugar

Which Is Better, Honey or Sugar?

When it comes to honey vs. sugar, which is the healthier choice? Here’s what you need to know.

Healthline

Except oir brains aren’t wired to consume kess if something. Sugar is great if you are an animal or a hunter gather bevause it is calorie rich while taking little effort to harvest (once you fogure out how to deal with the bees). Calorie dense is great when you dont know ehen your next meal is coming, but in out modern society it means health problems.

And i love honey, but your body doesn’t see any difference between a spoonful of honey, molasses, agave, maple syrup, or high fructose corn syrup. They are all just a concentrated dose of sugar.

This article describes a study that looked into exactly that claim: washingtonpost.com/…/honey-seemed-like-a-healthie…
Honey isn’t as healthy as we think

Many think honey is better than high fructose corn syrup, but the evidence doesn't add up.

The Washington Post
The hypothesis is that you are eating all of the flower allergens that are causing your allergies. The body usually doesn't react to things you eat so by consuming those allergens your body does have an immune response since it's part of food.

This is a fine point because I have oral allergy syndrome, which is my body violently reacting to bananas because of my ragweed allergy and my immune system being dumb as hell.

But also o do react less to flower pollen with a spoon of local honey a day so maybe it’s just a big weird world we live in.

The things you are alleegic to aren’t the things bees are making honey out of. We mostly have allergies to things that are broadcast spwaning obscene amounts their pollen like ragweed, mold, and grass, while bees use flowering plants to make their honey.
Jokes on you, I’m allergic to basically everything!

There really aren’t a lot of good studies/experiments done.

So we’re left with anecdotes. While that’s not totally worthless, it also can’t be conclusive.

Same idea as immunotherapy shots or sublingual drops.

Whether it’s actually local, and if the allergens are actually concentrated enough to make any difference, is a very different question. Set of questions.

Don’t forget this one: Is it actually honey? Honey flavored corn syrup doesn’t help.
I’m guessing this is a US thing? At least I’ve never heard of it before as a european and I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t be allowed to be sold as honey here

Yeah, us Canadians have to check the label to make sure the honey is Canadian, otherwise its usually 50% corn syrup.

Another easy tell is if you don’t mix it for a couple months it splits, and all the corn syrup floats to the top.

American here … we’re really sorry. We don’t like it neither; but the corporations, you see? they need their profits.

Another American here … I have literally never seen honey that’s been stepped on.

What brands do this?

Same, and I eat a fair amount of honey. Even when I buy cheap stuff on the road, it’s 100% honey. Maybe there’s some Dollar General store brand that’s severely discounted and cut, but I’ve never seen it.
Are you on the coasts or in the flyovers?
Home base is coastal, but I travel all over the US for work. I spend between 30-50% of the year on the road. I admit, not a ton of that time is in middle-of-nowhere Wyoming.
There is a lot of counterfeit honey in Europe coming from others countries.
Also very much a problem in Europe sadly. Of course not allowed, but pretty hard to detect. There are test that can tell the difference, but they are not accepted by the EU (yet?).
i mean this is solved by not buying imported honey, even here in sweden i can just go on a walk around the area and find at least one person selling honey from their backyard at a perfectly resonable price, so i don’t see the point in buying imported unless you’re a colony of bees in a trenchcoat and need it to survive.
It is a thing. I think it started with “pancake syrup” being corn syrup with brown color and artifical maple flavor. You know, Big Buttersworth
I would hope the roadside stand in front of the apiary has real honey and not corn syrup. But you never know...
They said local honey, not factory made junk.
Excuse me? Immunology shots are freaking amazing. I’ve been on them for about 2 years and the difference between last spring and this sptirng is incredible. I no longer need Allegra daily.

I think he meant for honey. The shots are very specifically concentrated lol.

Even then honey has some anti inflammatory effect that can help regardless of the added benefit of bee pollen

OK, I reread the comment and I see that I misunderstood it.

I only did mine for 6 months, but I went from dying every spring to getting a bit sniffly if the pollen count is so high walking outside smells like it. I can’t imagine how effective it would have been if I did all 3 years.

Fun fact: you can do it with poison ivy. I knew someone who had it done, and he could rub the stuff on his face with no reaction.

I mean it’s not terrible advice. Alleegies or not, local honey is generally delicious.

Picked up spicy peach honey. Was delicious.

Then the habaneros came a-knocking.

Where did them bees find spicy peaches? 🤔
Oh man, Poe’s Law is not doing you any favors right now…
That’s why I hate using “/s.” It’s more fun when you have to figure it out. :P
While it’s not a cure all, the advice is also legit.
Ingestion of honey improves the symptoms of allergic rhinitis: evidence from a randomized placebo-controlled trial in the East Coast of Peninsular Malaysia

The role of honey in the treatment of allergic rhinitis (AR) is controversial. We studied the complementary effect of ingestion of a high dose of honey, in addition to standard medications, on AR.Prospective randomized placebo-controlled study. Subjects ...

PubMed Central (PMC)

Likely because honey has anti-inflammatory properties.

The local honey myth is about using the honey as a form of allergy immunotherapy since it would be from local pollen.

Has the idea been disproven? I remember well the various flipflopping about toddlers and peanuts

That’s different. With peanuts you’re directly ingesting the allergen. With honey you have to hope that enough of the allergen, survived the honey making process, assuming you’re allergic to something bees make honey from.

There’s no question that allergy immunotherapy is legit, but honey is unlikely to be a viable method of it.

I thought it would work until I realized I’ve been exposing myself to pollen every damn year as it is. If my body was ever going to get used to it then it would have already lol

Now I just keep eating the honey because it’s honey, why not? Lol

The concept is its very concentrated, but because it’s broken down in the stomach you won’t likely have an allergic reaction. I didn’t know people used honey when they sell bee pollen for the exact purpose.
Yay allergies solved. New problem: diabetes.
A lot of you gluttonous chunkers need to learn the skill of not fucking eating all of it.
Hey don’t get up in my crank. It’s the study posted that made the conclusion about what it takes for allergen success.
Yeah the study used 1g/kg. So if we use nice round numbers, a 100kg person would be doing 100g of honey or roughly 80g of sugar to start the day. That’s more than a 20oz (568ml) bottle of Coke!
Hmmm coke with honey

50 - 80g of honey a day?! Allergies are gone hello diabetes!

Seriously 1g honey to 1kg of body mass is insane. This is obviously ignoring the cost which is also insane.