Jake Hamilton

UPDATE: We now have a forum

https://forum.aux.computer/

I like #Nix, I do not like what has happened to it. #NixOS is an incredible technology and it deserves better. Nobody else has started the process so I guess I have to be the one to do it. We are forking. I would rather try and fail alongside all the people who love Nix but were pushed away from the project than give up.

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Aux

Forum for the Aux ecosystem.

Aux
Apr 29, 2024 at 4:05pmWeb
Show threadJake HamiltonApr 29, 2024
Repo location is TBD, please be patient. I want to make sure we get this right.
Show threadisabelApr 29, 2024
@uncenter told me the other day that they would prefer not to move off of GitHub, just shadowing their requests.

I'm not 100% sure about others but I assume most will have a GitHub account and would prefer to stay there.

@jakehamilton
Show threadseth 🍃Apr 29, 2024
@isabel @jakehamilton @uncenter +1.
github has its issues, but its contributor pool can’t be matched. gha’s generous free tier (and many integrations with the existing nix ecosystem) would probably help a lot in the beginning as well
Show threadckApr 29, 2024
@jakehamilton Don't rush with the repos, it's not that important. Performing the actual fork-off is an anticlimactic push of a button that can happen at any time.
More importance is IMO in community spaces so we can flash this thing out without having to rely on 500 characters
Show threadRamses 🇵🇸Apr 29, 2024
@jakehamilton I would so love for this not to live on a proprietary platform like GitHub. I think we have viable alternatives today that allow us to free ourselves from Microsoft's grip.
Show threadMigrated to @[email protected] 🏳️‍🌈🎃🇧🇷Luana🇧🇷🎃🏳️‍🌈Apr 29, 2024
@jakehamilton forgejo probably, they’re working on federation and stuff
Show thread🌸 lumi-nhac    🌱Apr 30, 2024
@luana @jakehamilton forgejo would be great
Show threadhollyApr 30, 2024
@lumi @luana @jakehamilton agreed
Show threadDeividas Paukštė Apr 30, 2024
@lumi @luana @jakehamilton Yup, I can’t wait for federation. 
Show threadWillApr 29, 2024
@jakehamilton congrats on the first steps
Show threadpaulApr 29, 2024
@jakehamilton keen!
Show threadHeals Apr 29, 2024
@jakehamilton I’m only a week into all of this but how can one help the project? I enjoyed what I did over the past days and the whole nix* ecosystem (not the organisational or political parts, just the bare tooling and the idea behind it) seemed rather well conceived so I’d gladly sacrifice some of my time to help a fork get on stable footing if I can.
Show threadJake HamiltonApr 29, 2024
@heals stay tuned for actionable things, but perspective and help with documentation is certainly one thing! As well as helping by testing that PRs build and run correctly.
Show threadpaulApr 29, 2024
@jakehamilton @heals ping me for docs and other writing!
Show threaderi 🌿Apr 29, 2024
@jakehamilton @heals I’m here to help as well with anything I can
Show threadSofie 🏳️‍🌈Apr 29, 2024

@jakehamilton Im personally watching for the board's response. They might have something brewing coming.

Also if we are hard forking. I would love to see it GPL'd.

Show threadSofie 🏳️‍🌈Apr 29, 2024
@jakehamilton Another huge thing would be tiering the core and "extras" packages. Currently there is no great way to distinguish between core packages and loose fun packages inside nixpkgs. It would be nice to have it a bit more seperated and give a lot more focus to a good core.
Show threadSandro  Apr 29, 2024
@soupglasses @jakehamilton Well, technically there is already a loose grouping. Everything going into the stdenv is absolute core and anything requiring to go to staging could also be classified important. All packages that are just one rebuild, are leaf packages and sometimes can be considered for fun.
Show threadSofie 🏳️‍🌈Apr 29, 2024

@sandro @jakehamilton I am thinking of properly formalizing things like GNOME as first-party support and such. Where only properly active and maintained packages go.

It could just be in the same repo.

Show threadSteven ReedApr 29, 2024
@jakehamilton I don't have major amounts of spare bandwidth / compute / disk space, but could probably run experimental containers in a couple of locations for testing out weird distributed technologies if that helps :)
Show threadAbhiramApr 29, 2024

@jakehamilton Really excited to see where this goes.

Is there anything people can do to start helping out?

Show threadJake HamiltonApr 29, 2024
@axelsilverdew rallying additional contributors may help, but at the moment not much else. I want to establish the org so we have a proper place to handle discussion and coordinate the project.
Show threadSofie 🏳️‍🌈Apr 29, 2024
@jakehamilton @axelsilverdew hello axel! :d
Show threadAbhiramApr 29, 2024
@soupglasses @jakehamilton Hi Sofie! :D
Show threadAbhiramApr 29, 2024
@jakehamilton Ah, understood
Show threadNulhommeApr 29, 2024
@jakehamilton this is great loving what you've done, will help because i want to keep using nix      
Show threadJules EnriquezApr 29, 2024

@jakehamilton
This isn't something that needs to be answered now or even soon, but should definitely be a consideration for a Nix fork:

What is the plan for binary caches?

One of the things I know about the Nix ecosystem as an outsider is the extensive (and expensive) binary cache infra. Would this project eventually try to replicate what Nix did or go about it somewhat differently?

Show threadJake HamiltonApr 29, 2024
@win8linux yes, in some form. Phase 4 of the roadmap (Infrastructure) calls out the need for a binary cache solution.
Show threadJules EnriquezApr 29, 2024
@jakehamilton
Thanks, looking forward to seeing how the project will go about doing that! If that's in the website then apologies, since it isn't loading here.
Show threadJake HamiltonApr 29, 2024
@win8linux ah, hmm not sure why that would be. It seems up for me at the moment but maybe I have it cached.
Show threadJules EnriquezApr 29, 2024
@jakehamilton
Depending on how new the domain is, could be DNS propagation?
Show threadJake HamiltonApr 29, 2024
@win8linux ah could be. I configured it this morning.
Show threadJules EnriquezApr 29, 2024

@jakehamilton
Update: The website is loading here now! It prolly was DNS propagation.

It's always DNS.

Show threadbrk, a.k.a. @evanrichterApr 29, 2024

@jakehamilton democratic steering committee and term limits makes a lot of sense!

I like where Aux is going.

Who gets to vote, however? Is it maintainers with commit access, or anyone with a forum account? I know neither of those exist, but just wondering about your thoughts

Show threadJake HamiltonApr 29, 2024
@brk I believe the answer here is "contributors" defined as people with at least X commits in the last Y period.
Show threadJake HamiltonApr 29, 2024
@brk the purpose here is that the people doing the work are the ones making the decisions.
Show threadbrk, a.k.a. @evanrichterApr 29, 2024

@jakehamilton I like this principle ♥️

The metric is a great start too

Show threadnat-418Apr 30, 2024

@brk @jakehamilton I would advocate setting up a german eV or french loi 1901 association, like codeberg and guix have

that means the membership is something you sign up for and pay dues to support, obviously with tiers for those in financial limit etc

Show threadJake HamiltonApr 30, 2024
@nat418 @brk (worth mentioning that I am US based)
Show threadnat-418Apr 30, 2024

@jakehamilton @brk

that shouldn't be a problem. you could set up a swiss based association as an american or whatever. just need to make sure the bylaws etc. are good

Show threadFreya Apr 29, 2024
@jakehamilton are there any plans on how switching over will be handled yet?

Id love to make the jump and possibly help out once I'm more familiar with packaging but still have too strong depends on home manager, among others.
Show threadJake HamiltonApr 29, 2024
@lyra not just yet, but stay tuned :)
Show threadnairouApr 30, 2024
@jakehamilton @lyra This is a good point I almost forgot. If we can integrate what home-manager is trying to do, lift it to first-class status, that would be great as a future goal. Essentially allowing user-specific configs managed by NixOS (AuxOS?).
Show threadmizukiApr 29, 2024
@jakehamilton do you plan on making mor begginer friendly docs? I tried out NixOS for a couple of weeks but couldn't get anything done because I was so confused by how it works.
Show threadJake HamiltonApr 29, 2024
@mizuki yes, learning resources are important :)
Show threadMishaApr 29, 2024
@foxy
Show threadKaitlyn~Ethylia  Apr 29, 2024
@jakehamilton This is definitely something I wanna keep an eye on, if things are looking good in a few months, I’ll be giving it a try, best of luck!
Show threadpaulApr 29, 2024
@jakehamilton new project means new logo means new opportunity to experiment in inkscape :)
Show threadJake HamiltonApr 29, 2024
@trespaul ooooooooo
Show threadpaulApr 30, 2024
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Show threadJake HamiltonApr 30, 2024

@trespaul these are pretty cool! Don't worry about sticking with the purple that's used on the site, branding can change :)

Seriously though these are awesome!

Show threadpaulApr 30, 2024
@jakehamilton aw thank you 🥹 and I'm just playing around, but i like the purple 🤷
Show threadDeividas Paukštė Apr 30, 2024
@trespaul @jakehamilton Wow, that’s pretty cool! I like the 3D one.
Show threadpaulApr 30, 2024
@deivpaukst @jakehamilton thank you! although, to clarify, the top part of the image was supposed to indicate the "influences" on the final design, which is at the bottom. The influences or meanings are 1. the lambda symbol, 2. the "splitting off" movement, and 3. the A form. But I'm glad you like it, maybe I can work that idea into another design idea...
Show threadImikoyApr 30, 2024
@trespaul @jakehamilton I really like the bottom ones! I think the separation of pieces has positive effect on my opinion.

Can different colors represent different parts of the ecosystem? Or would it hurt recognizability?

Also, on the previous picture: shifting the lambda so that the right side of the triangle is visible, I feel, makes it better. Is it due to lambda being more visible since its edges border a uniform color (black)?
Show threadpaulApr 30, 2024
@imikoy @jakehamilton I'm glad you like it! I felt that having the lambda just be plainly inside the triangle was a bit too obvious and on the nose, so i removed the right side so that it's more minimal and the whitespace plays a role
Show threadpaulApr 30, 2024
@imikoy @jakehamilton The different colours for different parts of the ecosystem is a great idea! and then the plain black one could maybe represent the entire project
Show threadImikoyApr 30, 2024
@trespaul @jakehamilton Dark mode would also need to be considered, I think
Show threadJake HamiltonApr 30, 2024
@imikoy @trespaul I think it swaps very cleanly to a dark mode by replacing the black with a white.
Show threadpaulMay 1, 2024
@jakehamilton https://drive.google.com/file/d/1o1nwLZAg05emiO9o_XxrdAjfJRy45zsf/view?usp=sharing
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