The first story refers to a government school district that has to respect the first amendment.
The second story refers to Columbia University, a private institution that does not have the same restrictions.
Conflating them as “schools” is misleading your followers. And yeah, Columbia should sure as hell do better.
@Mabande @QasimRashid
Yes, absolutely. This article and the second article about Columbia are a much better example of the problem. No conflating, no misleading!
Columbia (and almost all Universities) need to figure out what their free speech policies are and then stick to them when the donors and political theatre idiots come for them.
They usually fail spectacularly. The bureaucrats actually have my sympathy on this one, usually multiple trustees with different agendas.
Just wanted to give you both credit for the update. Much appreciated.
Why is this prom photo only young men?
Wonder what’s different between the two?
(Not) Fun fact, Germany punishes both.
What kind of twisted logic is that?
So that wouldn't be possible here in Germany
This Nazi salute is forbidden and can be prosecuted
And people are constantly demonstrating against wars, that is normal
It doesn’t matter if something is a private institution or not
Unfortunately, schools do not care. When the neo nazi party in Greece rose, some guys in my school started speaking German and harassing minorities.
The school principal who was left-leaning refused to do anything until that group of people was thinking to do the nazi salute in the national parade. What he did was beg them to not do it. The harassment did not stop and the principal didn't care ever again.
@QasimRashid The first photo was taken at Baraboo School District, a public school. As a public institution, they are required by the First Amendment to tolerate even the most despicable behavior.
The second photo was taken at Colombia University, a private institution. They are not bound by the First Amendment and are not required to tolerate behavior they do not approve of.
Private institution means private property. Would you tolerate a protest in your living room?
@QasimRashid This stems from the fact that English confuses between "student" as in somebody in the mandatory government-funded school system, and "student" as in a student of an institution of higher education. Some other languages don't do this, and that would make this issue a lot clearer.
In the US, most colleges are private and the first amendment doesn't apply to them, if this wasn't the case, social media companies wouldn't be able to ban nazis.
@QasimRashid I don't think you're being fair to Baraboo here -- Baraboo is in rural (== fascist) Wisconsin so the school district is just doing what everybody else there does, while Columbia (allegedly a world class university) is doing fascism as a lark.
There's not really any comparison, because fucking CU is doing what (virtually; NYPD is fash from top to bottom as are all other police forces) nobody in their community wants them to do.