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@randahl patient? I think you misspelled corrupt.

@chris @randahl Well, I suppose you could want to live in a country that court cases were fast. Whether that would be to your benefit might be another thing. Do you want justice done fast or done right?

@ariaflame @randahl Speed isn't the problem, it is the ability of people to essentially buy that time because of access to limitless amounts of money and lawyers who manipulate the system to their benefit. The American justice system is controlled by access to money first, the law second.

@chris @randahl I guess the question is, do you take away the rights of those without resources, just to punish those with resources?

@ariaflame @randahl lol. no. You take away the *false rights* (eg. Rights by Cash) of those with resources.

@chris @randahl So the right to appeal?

@ariaflame @randahl I think the bond and bail stuff is the most annoying. There should be a cap on bails. Say $50,000. More than that and you don't get bail, you get jail. People like Trump should be in jail waiting for trial and/or appeal. The only reason he isn't and some racialized person picked up on a traffic stop is, is because of money.

@chris @randahl And currently politics, whether we like it or not. OK, so what would the consequences of your suggestion be? Would certain minorities tend to get more bails over that amount anyway?

@ariaflame @randahl Perhaps they would, it might not change anything for minorities. The point is, the rich law breakers would be in jail a lot more often.

@chris @randahl Think of it this way, he's still going to lose and his lawyers fees are going to be huge, and the fees of their lawyers are going to be huge, and he's draining the resources of the GOP ahead of the election.

@ariaflame @randahl I really don't care about his lawyers. I care about objectively very bad people being prevented from continuing to harm people and society while they are on trial and already convicted. He should be in jail. A proper justice system would have him there and suggesting poor people would be hurt by rich people having to go to jail is weird.

@chris @randahl I did not mean that poor people would be hurt by that. I meant that any attempt to reduce the rights of people in the justice system could have unforeseen outcomes. But I can see all you want is vengeance. So I'll bid you goodnight.

@ariaflame @randahl since when is asking for rich people to not be able to skip jail "vengeance"? lol. You seem to be creating strawmen to protect the rich by gaslighting poor people. Have a good night.

Randahl Fink Apr 11, 2024

@chris both these countries’ judiciaries have problems with corruption.

@randahl indeed, but it seems one is much better able to recognize and punish it than the other. I think it is because the American legal system is fundamentally geared toward allowing money to manipulate the system through high priced lawyers and endless appeals. I call that corruption too.

Martin Clausen Apr 11, 2024

@randahl Not a great comparison. While the Trump circus is exactly that, the Chinese "justice" system compares in no respect favorably to the US same. Patience or lack thereof has no role in this.

Randahl Fink Apr 11, 2024

@MartinClausen the second situation is not from China, but from Vietnam.