Trevor FlowersApr 4, 2024
I wish more people who are worried about FOSS supply side attacks would realize that universal basic income and free healthcare would result in an almost infinite stream of excellent software from people who care more about quality than profit.
Show threadMark Gardner

@trevorflowers @AFresh1 Who pays for that and what gives you the right to take it from them?

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Mark Gardner (@[email protected])

@[email protected] @[email protected] True. Sorry to mix metaphors, but when you dangle the notion of a “commons” in front of people, there are those who see the free lunch and others who see the first group as potential serfs.

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Show threadAndrew Hewus FreshApr 5, 2024
@mjgardner the people benefitting from the commons, and because they used the commons to benefit. Although obviously slightly more complex than that, but if you're throwing out stupid questions, you get stupid answers.
Show threadMark GardnerApr 5, 2024
@AFresh1 Nah, communism is a stupid answer on its own with over a century of bloodshed to its name. It didn’t need my help.
Show threadAndrew Hewus FreshApr 5, 2024
@mjgardner I'm open to other solutions, but folks pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps works just as well as the author of the saying meant. Which is it doesn't. Everything I've seen shows UBI to be one of the cheapest and at the same time most effective ways to get people out of poverty and becoming "productive", putting more into the system than they take. No, not everyone for sure, but the percentage that don't are the ones need the help the most. Part of being in a healthy society is making sure everyone is taken care of. If caring for other people is not something we can agree is good, there is not really any way we can agree on anything else.
Show threadMark GardnerApr 5, 2024

@AFresh1 You’re packaging the abstract good of “caring for other (unspecified) people” with “not caring as much for a specific group’s right to their property,” i.e., the results of the productivity you hope to see from everyone.

Look me up when you resolve that contradiction. Until then, I agree that we don’t have much to talk about.

Show threadAndrew Hewus FreshApr 5, 2024
@mjgardner A little less snarky an answer is that your framing is wrong. It's not that property is being "taken", it is that being part of a society includes agreeing to the rules that the society has. Some of those rules where I live include *giving* some of my property to support society by way of paying taxes. If, as a society, we decide that part of that support includes providing a UBI so people have access to basic things necessary for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (that are also considered rights, at least in the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights) and agree that to be a part of the society, the folks who can will agree to contribute towards that.
Show threadRiley S. FaelanOct 22, 2024

@mjgardner If you want to compare rights, what gives you the right to insist on enforcing the blatantly unfair status quo?

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Show threadgoedelchenOct 23, 2024
@mjgardner @trevorflowers @AFresh1 I'd extend the question to "... and who gave them the right to take it from those, from which they took it"
... and now I'm going to look at your link 🙂