Real talk time:

"Just asking questions" is a weapon. We know full-well that some people exploit it to feign innocence when deliberately throwing noise into discussions. And it works in large part because it encourages otherwise earnest discussions which then contribute to the noise.

So be careful.

@TechConnectify "Sealioning". It is so well abused, it's been given a name.

@larsmb I am not talking about sealioning. That person knows what they're doing and doesn't need anyone to tell them to be careful.

I'm talking about people engaging in conversations about things which are technically true but don't actually matter. We need to get better at recognizing when things are irrelevant and let them drop out of the conversation, because earnest people who don't do this unwittingly bring fodder to the disinformers of the world.

Let me give you an example:

@larsmb This post was spurred by a convo on a different platform.

It is true that to electrify everything as we need to do, we will face challenges. But if all you can do is ask "will the power grid be able to keep up with demand?" without realizing that A) yes, it always has B) it must if we are to meet the goal anyway and C) given A and B this question doesn't actually need to be asked, then you're giving credit to the opposition & also worsening the doom spiral which makes us feel powerless.

@TechConnectify @larsmb It's an insidious form of cherry-picking. Even if the malefactor here eventually *technically* includes all the counterpoints, but if their headline / lede graf is all about hand-wringing and challenges and they only get to potential ambiguous solutions later on, they can easily poison the discourse while still covering their ass about accusations of misdirection. (And sometimes they don't even bother to do that.)

@glyph @larsmb Right, but I think the real challenge here is that honest people who genuinely want the world to get better also do this! They often don't realize they're doing it, but they're doing it.

That's what I mean by "be careful" - you have to have some awareness of what you're stepping in and what the words you leave behind will contribute.

@TechConnectify @larsmb 💯, this is a good point, it's easier to do this by accident.
@TechConnectify @larsmb I still tend to think of these people as "bad" because quite often it's mainstream journalists who are, whether they're doing it consciously or not, driving clicks by shilling anxiety
@TechConnectify @larsmb and they should really, really know better
@glyph @TechConnectify @larsmb this is something I’ve been thinking about a lot. We know from being online what “just asking questions” looks like. And “flooding the zone” and “never play defense. “ but I see media constantly engage with these. I imagine it’s a combo of driving traffic and actually wanting to mainstream right wing talking points but I wonder if there could be a handbook for those who would like to do better. Or am I just asking questions ha!

@TechConnectify I like this take. "Don't think it's easy, or that you'll have all the answers out of the gate, but don't let the ambiguity of the problem stop you from having meaningful conversations and making meaningful change."

Which is really just "Don't let perfect be the enemy of good" dressed up a bit, I suppose. 😆

@CiscoJunkie @TechConnectify It's… not quite about that. More about taking care where you put the emphasis in a conversation.

If you are among experts, having an internal conversation, where everyone knows the general plan, it's fine to open up with a big list of problems as you try to solve them one at a time.

If you're talking to the general public, introducing them to a topic or catching laypeople up to the state of the art, beginning with a laundry list of "questions" can mislead.

@CiscoJunkie @TechConnectify This can also be true even if you are legitimately curious and don't know the answer to the questions! A big open-ended anxious "what if" on a big platform gives the reader the impression that the answers are *generally* unknown, rather than that you in specific are ignorant.

@TechConnectify @larsmb

And ignores the fact that the same question has continually been asked about O&G which also seems to always expand to meet demand. (Which anyone old enough to remember the various ‘peak oil’ panics will tell you about)

@TechConnectify @larsmb

Ah, they are cavilling.

You can reply with "Aside, sirrah, I have no time for your petty cavilling". And put your hand on the pommel of your sword, to indicate that you are serious.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cavil

Definition of CAVIL

Definition of 'cavil' by Merriam-Webster

@jztusk @TechConnectify @larsmb and if they do will you end them rightly by throwing said pommel

(Couldn't resist the meme, sorry)

@beeoproblem @TechConnectify @larsmb

Hah! I am old and cheugy and had to look up that meme. Learn something new every day.

@TechConnectify Right. It's somewhat related I feel to what I vented about in https://mastodon.online/@larsmb/111997902452056689 - people value to engage socially, and value that above an actually helpful contribution (which might either have been to invest more effort before replying, or not to reply/ask at all).
It is a conundrum!
Lars Marowsky-Brée 😷 (@[email protected])

I've noticed that the hardest part of replying to a question on the Internet is replying to the question asked, not the question one wanted, or refraining from suggesting a different question instead. Or replying with something from the first five search results. I know, you're social, you want to be nice, but please. ABSTAIN. Folks. YOU'RE NOT BEING HELPFUL. You're creating ADDITIONAL WORK for a person who already has an unanswered question. "Would my response help me in their situation?"

Mastodon
@TechConnectify @larsmb this sounds a whole lot like your excellent "but sometimes", just in the online communication way? Or I guess is the same at the core. I really liked that video for giving a sort of concrete phrasing to a frustration I've repeatedly had.
@TechConnectify @larsmb I like that "Hey I guess we'll have to spend some money to upgrade energy grids. Many of which are in desperate need of upgrades regardless of an increase in demand (see CA wildfires caused by aging grid infrastructure)" is supposed to sound like an impossible way to tackle climate change, but "Let's just create a sci-fi technology to solve all the problems" is supposed to be inspiring.
@derrickb @TechConnectify @larsmb
Some people want a silver bullet. A single, magic solution excites them in a way lots of incremental improvements don't. You see the same attitude for many problems.
@TechConnectify @larsmb more efficient things = less power consumption.