return2ozmaBiden reacts to pro-Palestinian protesters: 'They have a point'
givesomefucks“They have a point,” Biden said after the protesters were escorted out. “We need to get a lot more care into Gaza.”
They wouldn’t need it as badly if someone didn’t go around Congress to ban funding to UNRWA…
Still, the Biden administration decided to pause funding, and other big donors did the same. The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, Linda Thomas-Greenfield, says she understands that UNRWA is the only international organization with the capacity to help deliver food, flour and fuel to Palestinians in Gaza, but she says donors want to see a full investigation of the Israeli allegations.
npr.org/…/the-u-s-is-barring-funding-to-unrwa-the…
And even after we found out the allegations were bullshit and confessions were after torture, both parties (except a few progressives) united to ban it till 2025.
Biden is literally responsible for this, but is acting like it’s just some random thing and maybe he’ll help out.
You’re not entirely wrong, but Biden has bipartisan backing on this as it’s part of the whole funding bill, which makes most of the repesentatives and senators complicit with Biden which this bill also gives Israel $3B, and Ukraine $0.3B.
Still, like how a massive frigate turns slowly, the actions of the State Department are showing a change of tune, and the US is nearly fed up with covering for Israel’s genocide. The first steps are to abstain from ceasefire resolutions and then to give the protestors attention and credibility. There are many more steps to go.
alternative_factorRepublicans are always gonna disrupt any real action anyway, they are full mask-off on the Christian nationalism thing and believe they must support Isreal 100% no matter what to make jesus come back.
bill also gives Israel $3B, and Ukraine $0.3B.
You forgot banning aid to UNRWA…
the US is nearly fed up with covering for Israel’s genocide.
Voters are, and have been.
But you can name a Dem in a party leadership position that doesn’t take AIPAC money?
There are many more steps to go.
That’s what they told 80 years ago when he was trying to get universal healthcare past a Dem controlled Congress…
There’s so many steps left to go, it’s functionally infinite. Because Republicans take more steps back then Dems take forward.
Biden spent a billion dollars in 2020 to just barely convince voters he was better than trump. I don’t know you, but if you had a billion dollar campaign, I bet you could have wiped the floor with trump.
Wait are we electing @rentlar as the Lemmy candidate? I dunno if they're eligible.
When the only other two options can’t crack 33% approval, a random unknown person is kind of a shoe in…
I’d bet money no foreign government has donated to their campaign at least.
I’d really like to believe that but the cynic in me expects that as soon as Israel gets done with their genocide campaign they’ll pretend that they’ve turned a new leaf and all funding and military assistance will resume as though nothing had happened. There will be no lasting consequences for Israel’s actions so they will, correctly, assume that there is nothing to stop them from doing it again.
There will be no lasting consequences for Israel’s actions so they will, correctly, assume that there is nothing to stop them from doing it again.
I hope you’re right.
nearly fed up with covering for Israel’s genocide
The US is doing far more than covering for it, we are enabling it via massive funding and contributing the very bombs being used to decimate Gaza and murder 10s of thousands of civilians. Biden’s willingness to let Bibi order us around and use us as cover is absolutely pathetic - Biden, and by proxy the US, are completely captured by the far-right extremist government of a foreign nation state. This is the weakest posturing imaginable for a world leader, and it’s entirely because Biden is a genocidal Zionist freak.
“Bipartisan backing” in DC means one thing only - Congress is getting paid. It’s gross that AIPAC can buy air cover for a genocide so easily, but such is the extent of corruption in the US.
We are 6 months into this ethnic cleansing, and these baby steps are not nearly enough at this juncture. For fuck’s sake even Trump beat Biden to the natural conclusion of demanding Israel put a stop to this. The bar is so low it’s literally on the ground and Biden just faceplants in front of it. Pathetic.
Ultragigagigantic“I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.”
Martin Luther King Jr., Letter from the Birmingham Jail
but she says donors want to see a full investigation of the Israeli allegations.
both parties (except a few progressives) united to ban it till 2025.
How is Biden literally responsible for everyone uniting on that point?
He went around Congress to give billions to Israel, and to ban aid to UNRWA causing mass starvation
Then Congress included both in the budget.
Any other questions?
Any comment on the face that donors paying for aid to UNRWA wanted this, or that it was bipartisan and - as you just pointed out - it was Congress that put it in the budget?
Why is everything all Biden’s fault, when you have already said in multiple points that other people were pushing for it also?
Why is everything all Biden’s fault
Because before it was included in the budget, Biden went around Congress to do both via executive order.
And I think the other bit is you’re confused about what “donors” meant, like are you thinking it’s private citizens donating money and the government now won’t let them?
I’m not trying to be insulting, but from context that seems to be your impression
Why is everything all Biden’s fault
Because he’s the boss. The president is always considered the leader of their party while they’re in office. That’s why Truman said, “The buck stops here.”
If an organization does something, the leader of that organization needs to accept responsibility or admit they’re an ineffective leader.
He’s the leader of the party, but this had bipartisan support.
I’m not saying he’s not responsible, just that they all are. Also he has to be careful with it being election year and being up against Trump.
underiskIf you have the power to unilaterally stop a genocide and instead you use that power to enable it, you are culpable.
He’s definitely culpable, but he’s far from the only one.
Sure, just the one with the most ability to act on his own. His culpability is proportional to that. He’s used it previously to aid Israel, he could use that same power to hinder them, but chooses not to.
the one with the most ability to act on his own
Maybe 3 years ago he would’ve been, but right now, with an election coming up against Trump and his Maggats, he’s in a very precarious position.
LinkerbaanIsrael controls both sides of American politics. What’s your point?
They wouldn’t need it as badly if someone didn’t go around Congress to ban funding to UNRWA…
Or if someone hadn’t sold Netanyahu weapons in the first place. Or if someone didn’t run interference for Netanyahu at the UN.
ivanafterallDamn, that's at least a full step above a "Huh" with an inquisitively arched eyebrow.
EdibleFriendHis finger is dangerously close to wagging.
Like Mutumbo?
I don’t know if he’d go THAT far.
The UN passed the resolution calling it genocide so I agree with that, I trust a democratic vote of the UN despite their inability to actually do anything compared to South Africa. I'm still going to vote Biden though because I know about project 2025 and know that we will probably get genocided in our own country if he loses. It sucks but that's how I feel.
If the only thing Biden ever does is keep Trump from office it will be a net win.
The IRA and the CHIPS Act were pretty legit - granted, I think trump might’ve passed some version of the CHIPS act as well. Seems like a no-brainer, imo, but the one that did it gets the credit!
vaultdweller013What do you mean by IRA like I know Biden is of Irish descent and I would whole heartedly support an American backed IRA but I doubt thats what happened.
The Inflation Reduction Act- link to one page summary
IntangibleSlothIt’s the “Inflation Reduction Act”
AKA The Build Back Better bill minus everything progressives and leftists fought for.
Huge win if you’re a moderate or a liberal. Yet another slap in the face if you’re slightly left of either.
The IRA even addresses the corporate tax loopholes in a clever way. There’s a minimum tax that they still have to pay even if their normal tax burden comes out to $0. I think it’s like 15%.
I’m not sure the ends justify the means.
? There are no “means”. all you can do is vote, and then something is going to happen depending on who wins. It’s not “do bad thing to get good result”, it’s “do neutral thing to get less bad result” or “do nothing to get shite result”.
Is voting not a means to elect Joe Biden to prevent Trump?
I don’t think the Palestinians suffering a genocide will see the “means” of voting for Biden as #neutral. This is the disconnect, many of us are selfishly more concerned about our menial lives than we are for people across the world; when the reality is we are no more important than they are. Either we’re all humans, or none of us are.
Palestines are going dislike Trump a whole lot more.
What’s project 2025?
HACKthePRISONSa boogeyman
I just perused the Wikipedia page, doesn’t seem like a boogeyman to me. Considering it’s backed by the Heritage Foundation. It seems horrifying to be honest.
Don't worry. I'm sure they don't really mean to install Trump as the president for life, make LGBTQ+ illegal, instill Christianty as the state religion, deploy the military for law enforcement, etc, etc. Hitler didn't REALLY mean he was gonna kill millions of people!
I don't think they can pull it off. it's a ghost story.
Let me guess- if you are American you stopped hanging out with your right-wing neighbors/family? Because for some insane reason, I didn't. This is 100% what they actually believe. They really think that anything left of Trump is part of the deep state conspiracy, homeschool their kids, think that bringing back "god" in school/state will fix everything, that Trump will save the country, etc, etc.
If you are not American, fuck off. You have no idea how bad the right-wingers really have become
If you are not American, fuck off. You have no idea how bad the right-wingers really have become
you don't know anything about me
this whole comment is attacking me personally rather than refuting anything I said
Because you said nothing other than “Nuh uh”
You haven’t made any statements worth refuting, you’ve only given your unsubstantiated personal opinion.
that's not a reason to make personal attacks
You didn’t say anything of actual value comrade. Explain to me why you think something backed by the heritage foundation, which is a big money organization and not something to be taken lightly, holds no weight? I’m not American, but seeing this makes me worried for Americans. It seems like Republican takeover of a huge amount of power in the states.
The democrats are atrocious for leftist movements. This is not debatable. But this is death of the leftist movement in America shit as far as I can tell. It seems like a huge leap towards Christo-fascism if attainable. I don’t see it as something that should just be ignored on any level. Why do you feel that it is? Maybe you know something I don’t.
I don't think I have some special knowledge. the heritage foundation are impotent, and p2025 is like a child's letter to Santa. they will get some of it, but they'd be getting that whether they wrote the paper or no.
Saying The Heritage Foundation is impotent might be the most ignorant thing I’ve ever seen. The Heritage Foundation is basically running the judicial system in our country. Their strategy completely worked they control the Supreme Court and they control a lot of the federal courts in this Nation. They are an existential threat to democracy. Project 2025 is a road map. Anyone who can’t see that at this point is probably rooting for that road map.
the heritage foundation is a lot less scary to me than black rock, chase, meta, alphabet, and the actual fucking government (fisa courts, nsa spying, international spying agreements, criminalizing protests).
this is all shit that already threatens us. the heritage foundation didn't make this happen: america is fascist, and they are just cheerleaders.
You don’t think that they had anything to do with the half-century-long backslide into dominionist authoritarianism? They have playing the long game, and it’s happened because they had the patience to make it happen at a frog-boiling pace, and we only paid attention when they said the quiet parts out loud.
Who the hell do you think developed the Reagan doctrine? They’ve had a heavy hand in tons of policy making, both domestic and foreign, for as long as I’ve been alive. All those other groups you’ve mentioned are just bolstering their influence, helping to get their bidding done.
I must say I’m rather flabbergasted by this comment. You’re not worried about the Heritage Foundation. You are however worried about the people who fund the Heritage Foundation and the Endeavors the Heritage Foundation seeks to achieve?
The government doesn't fund the heritage foundation. Facebook doesn't find the heritage foundation. Google doesn't fund the heritage foundation. who is it that you think funds the heritage foundation?
I'm not worried about p2025, if that's what you mean.
Well that’s weird cuz Heritage Foundation is a big part of that. It’s the judicial arm.