alessandroCritics must rescore Dragon's Dogma 2 in light of microtransactions
OmegaMouseMixed feelings about that - it sounds like you can still access those features so I don’t think it really affects the base game at all. From what I remember about the first game, you had to be sparing on the waystones to start with, and it required a bit of work to get the item necessary to redo your character - so not much has really changed there. On the other hand, adding these microtransactions in the first place is a stupid idea and the publishers are shooting themselves in the foot by adding them.
Yeahboy92From what I’ve read, it seems to be a compromise to me. I imagine the dev team didn’t want to do it but compromised with the publisher and in reality they probably don’t want you to buy the dlc, as it defeats some of the design decisions. There’s a good pcmag article detailing the dlc and how impactful it is. My guess is that the general opinion of any reviewers would remain the same regardless (with the context of the pcmag article).
I scrolled through the mtx and… there is literally nothing in there that anyone should ever buy. Exception for the character redesign item, but if this is like first game, you can redesign your character between playthroughs.
I feel like there’s some kinda argument here between the director and whatever suit wanted mtx. That stuff in the store is literally pointless to buy. RC? People will rent your pawn, that’s how you get it. Wakestones? Gold in game.
Only thing I’d consider buying would be the eternal ferrystone, but that defeats the flow of the game, and they aren’t selling it.
properits the stuff from the deluxe edition. And it isn’t “buy currency whenever” mtx. just the deluxe stuff if you didn’t order deluxe. I got the base game and have already accumulated all this stuff.
I think if people knew that you’d eventually unlock infinite fast travel in end-game anyway, maybe people would be less insane? but realistically the whiniest bitching is coming from people who just want to be mad, so trying to add context won’t help.
It’s stupid as hell because the game has legitimate issues with performance and some baffling choices, but everyone’s upset with Capcom for…doing the same thing they’ve done for 5 years without any complaint.
Now imagine people would actually play the game and realize that you actually don’t want to FT because it is honestly fun to explore.
But that would require them to actually care about the game… lol.
No kidding. I’m now onto the second kingdom, and have acquired like 11 ferrystones. I’ve used maybe one all game just for pacing reasons. Why would I want to fast travel and miss out on the griffin attacks? Every journey becomes a grand adventure with like several stories of heroic valor, and they’re interspersed with little downtimes where you get to have pawn chatter.
I kinda think we should go right off and bomb all the reviews, with the hope that it teaches devs to stop doing stuff like this.
Having limited access to a resource to then hook you on microtransactions is from mobile game design. It’s literally a freemium mechanic being put into an already upscaled price game.
It’s literally the most abusive and addictive way to develop a game, and you want to use that as an excuse.
I fucking hate gamers. We’ve been having this conversation since the horse Armor DLC for Oblivion yet here we fucking are.
Except having limited access to a resource is from the original game. There’s this lie being sold online that it was an intentional decision for DD2 to try and sell more microtransactions, but limited fast travel is a hallmark of the original Dragon’s Dogma. People are so quick to blind themselves to hatred that they haven’t noticed that Capcom has added completely pointless microtransactions to every one of their games for at least the past 5 years. You can drag them through the coals if you want to over that, and it’s as fair a reason to boycott Capcom games as any, but it’s not a reason to start going after games journalists.
The original game that ultimately saw success in its “Dark Arisen” release that had an eternal ferrystone.
Don’t go trying to redefine history here, I played both copies of the original.
If what I read is correct, there is a quest involving a spinx in late game that offers an eternal ferrystone. Now maybe I’ve been lied to, but it sounds pretty reasonable and would track with what was added to Dark Arisen. If you really, desperately, for whatever reason want to skip playing like 80% of the game and spend $30 to fast travel everywhere, I guess you could spend it on ferrystones? Nobody should do that though, it completely breaks the flow and atmosphere of the game, and they are meant to be a limited resource in the early game of both Dragon’s Dogma 1 and 2. You can hate that decision all you want, but don’t try to distort facts to fit your own rage. All the microtransactions are pointless and unnecessary.
Sounds like you want to change topics from your whole lies topic for some reason? Weird. Changing your defense from it being lies and a limited resource while not admitting the predatory nature of this game design. I dont care to argue your new bad faith points as you did not take the last stance fairly.
I guess if we’re changing topics, we can focus on the predatory character customization microtransaction.
Or we can go I to Capcoms recent attempts to take down mods from their old games
Plenty of problematic things to hit on here.
Have you tried to turn a circle in the capital on low settings?
Doesn’t like that topic is being changed -> changes topic.
Carefull with the Cheeto-dust there my man.
Also, can you tell me exactly where the ‘new save or character creation’ microtransaction is? I can’t seem to find it.
Also, character customisation is easily done by buying an item in game for a negligible amount of gold.
Again, calm it with the cheetodust my man.
Cringe.
Correct, it’s part of their design, you create a problem the. You sell the solution.
Oh I don’t want to portray it positively. I agree it’s shit. It just seemed to me that it’s possible (personally at least) to play the game and ignore the microtransactions. But no doubt that’s not the case for everyone
Uriel238 [all pronouns]Dark patterns are malicious and antagonistic against the end user. The microtransactions add arsenic to the tea.
CALIGVLASpoilers: they won’t.
Spoilers: they shouldn’t. They actually reviewed the game and didn’t circlejerk about one completely optional feature.
olicvbexcept the version of the game they reviewed allegedly didn’t have the micro-transactions/paywalls
Did the review copies have the features you’d need to buy with microtransactions?
The MTX items are in game, the rumour that you can’t fast travel and stuff blatantly false.
Capcom did some scummy shit, but the reason they(the press) didn’t know is because even now post release the game makes no mention of them.
The limited travel, resurrections, and the currency for pawns were all in the first game and they all feel just as common in my experience.
So fuck Capcom, but the game does deserve the reviews it got imo. However, they also deserve all the backlash they are getting, because they intentionally kept it quiet. They knew players would be upset. It’s gross.
The items are included in the game I thought, the microtransactions are just one method to obtain them.
Oof it’s pride and accomplishment all over again.
It really isn’t.
The game didn’t change though. The items are still in game, have the same in game prices. Fundamentally it’s the same game.
The released game doesn’t have paywalls either. I guess you’re incapable of understanding the issues you feel obliged to complain about.
I think the whole game should be reviewed and that includes the microtransactions. There’s a reason they add them after the reviews are in because they know people don’t like to be nickel and dimed in a game that costs 60 to 70 fucking dollars.
Microtransactions arent the game though. And none of whats for sale makes a bit of difference to the game. Not to mention everything you can buy is in the game already, it wasnt taken out or put behind a paywall.
Do you also rate a game negatively if they have a battle pass? What about other capcom games like the resident evil remakes where you could buy the unlocked infinite weapons for 5 dollars? Do either take away from the actual game? No, no they do not.
Its still not great, i agree, but it doesnt make a good game bad just because you think its scummy. I say this, but i do not have the game nor will i be getting it. Not because of people online crying about a nothing burger, but i just dont have a system strong enough to play it. If i did, i would because i loved the original game.
Yes because I’m not getting the game for free so things like performance and monetization impact my purchasing decisions and what price I’m willing to pay for it, which is what I rely on reviews for. I don’t see reviews as some art piece analysis. I don’t care only about what someone only thinks about the gameplay when it comes to spending money.
I think they are the game as the developers can base their game around them (remember battlefront 2?) It’s a paid game, 70 dollars no less, and I’m sorry, but there is no justification for microtransactions.
How come Baldur’s Gate 3 can be without microtransactions for example? It’s greed pure and simple. If they didn’t want you to buy them, and there weren’t people putting in ridiculous amounts of money in them they wouldn’t put them in.
Hey wise guy. I have this amazing solution for that. It’s called not fucking buying them. People are losing their shit about this, yet helldivers 2 does the exact same thing and no one gives a shit.
Oh I’m sorry, I guess I should be grateful that a 70 dollar unoptimized game from a multi-million dollar company has microtransactions. I don’t care what mental gymnastics you come up with, they have no place in paid games.
Are you fucking stupid? What part of “don’t pay for them” did you not understand? How does someone else paying for them affect you at all in a SINGLE PLAYER GAME?
I don’t care that it’s a single player game for fuck’s sake. I have a problem with free to play monetization in a paid game, not just this one any other game.
CileTheSaneHow does someone else paying for them affect you at all in a SINGLE PLAYER GAME?
By causing my single player game to be purposely designed to be worse so that they can “sell me the solution” through micro transactions.
That’s not how it works at all, but keep being delusional
RetrogradeOh? Then how does it work exactly? 😂
Every time I see someone complain about an unoptimized game I’m reminded people still use dog-shit computers or ‘gaming’ laptops.
Digital Foundry with their peasant 7800X3D and RTX 4090 dropping frames in a large city.
I agree with the optimizations, but the MTX here really isn’t that bad by modern gaming standards. It’s “pay for convenience” where the convenience is getting some items a little faster. I believe all the MTX are available in game and not that hard to get.
The port crystals are the worst offense, but I don’t think anyone knows how bad it is yet. I’ve tried to look up how many there are in game, and all I found is there’s a soft cap at 10, where any more isn’t useful, but I’m not actually certain that’s even true or some AI generated crap that pulled info from the first game that had the same system.
The game does run fairly poorly though, which absolutely should get all the shit it’s getting.
Yeah, no. I don’t agree with those new modem standards because why in the world would you pay for glorified cheats? We used to get them for free! It’s corporate greed just wanting to extract every single cent out of you.
Sure, but are you consistent? Do you also rail against Helldivers 2, the Resident Evil Remakes, and all the rest? (I literally can’t think of more because I avoid almost everything like this.) I totally agree that it sucks, and it creates a situation where the games end up designed to be worse in order to sell the solution.
However, this game it looks to me like the director had pretty much as much control as is possible. The MTX are very minor and not all that useful. It seems to me (no personal experience yet) that the only people who will be buying these MTX are people with way too much money to spend, and it really won’t do much for them. In this situation I’m really not that bothered by them, despite being one of the strongest opponents of MTX generally. It’s just that if you decide you hate every game with MTX you can’t play modern games at all.
As an additional fun fact, Bethesda, creators of the infamous Horse Armor DLC, actually had an additional crystal-based teleport option DLC for their diegetic-only fast travel game Morrowind. This was in 2002 before this was really even heard of, but it was luckily free in this instance. Just a weird bit of synchronicity. en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Master_Index
Yes, I avoid those games completely. I haven’t played neither Helldivers (didn’t know about it actually), resident evil, assassin’s Creed origins and Valhalla, shadow of war etc.
It’s easier for me to avoid them because I don’t really like most of the releases these days, although I did want to play shadow of war. The only one I played in recent memory is Baldur’s Gate 3. I’ve played monster hunter games for a long time, since freedom unite, but if they shove MTX in the new game I just won’t buy it. I’m so sick of this nonsense in the industry that I wouldn’t even pirate it. There’s a million older extremely good games I haven’t played yet and full priced open world, crafting, stealth action games with light rpg elements and MTX can disappear for all I care.
I have never heard of that teleport option nor seen that plugin in my list of plugins. I didn’t know it existed at all, interesting.
I have never heard of that teleport option nor seen that plugin in my list of plugins. I didn’t know it existed at all, interesting.
I think it’s just included in the GOTY edition or whatever it is you buy now that includes the DLCs. I’m not certain on this though. It’s been a while since I played last. You may have to add it yourself.
As for all the games with MTX, I’m with you that I mostly avoid them (rather, I’m not even interested in them). I mostly stick to indies or old games. That said, plenty of games with MTX are handled fine. Helldivers 2 is fairly good about it, and Deep Rock Galactic. These games need to pay for servers, so they do need some recurring revenue stream. That’s also true for DD2, though to a significantly lesser extent and the $70 price tag is more than enough for it.
I recommend checking out Dragons Dogma: Dark Arizen if you haven’t though. My knowledge of that is why I know DD2 MTX isn’t that horrible. I’d rather it not exist at all, but they’re working for Capcom so that isn’t an option. The fact that it’s so minor is good.
I think it’s just included in the GOTY edition or whatever it is you buy now that includes the DLCs. I’m not certain on this though. It’s been a while since I played last. You may have to add it yourself.
Yeah, I saw it on Nexus mods now when I was searching for it, titled fixed version.
I mostly stick to indies or old games
Yeah I think indies are the best games to play right now with biggest variety and on some of them you can really feel that it was made with passion and love for games (like Terraria) as opposed to the supposed AAA games. I get that rare feeling when I finish them where I don’t want them to finish because of how good they are.
I did play the first Dragon’s Dogma and I loved it, which is why I just get sad about this game when I hear about some dumb things like complicated fast travel (unless you pay) under the guise of “the creator thinks it’s not fun.” Yeah get bent. I never finished the first game and I think I just might start a new game.
DD2 MTX might not be as horrible as others, but I still find it insulting. Microtransactions are there with a purpose. If it was some small indie developer I might understand, but not for Capcom, Konami, Ubisoft, Take Two or any other big publisher.
Ah yes, cause not paying for them will magically make the game not be designed to try and push you to buy them.
Why would somebody only review a portion of the game you’re playing?
It’s like reading a movie review where the author showed up 30 minutes late to the movie
It’s literally not. It’s like reading a positive review for a movie and then going to see it and being outraged the theater is charging $14 for popcorn. No one is forcing you to buy the popcorn, and not buying it in no way affects your movie experience.
Don’t you have more important things to be outraged about? Isn’t it exhausting hating everything all at once?
This is Lemmy though, you need to toss out common sense before opening the site.
Can you suggest other sites that don’t come with that baggage but still curate worthwhile content?
JaysynOh good, one more AAA I can auto-skip over.
Did you know you can block publishers on Steam?
Refunded as soon as I saw… thanks for saving me $70, Dragon’s Dogshit II devs! Shame, game looks amazing, but nah.
I sure can’t. They just show back up with “Blocked” on the cover
That’s not blocking them. That’s just modifying the cover art
Completely agree. Block means don’t see in my mind.
Why skip when you can pirate it for free? Everything is pirateable these days.
They say in the article that reviewers were told about the microtransactions. Then they mention that one reviewer said he didn’t read the notes that were sent by Capcom. Why would this reviewer need to go back and rescore the game? If he enjoyed it without knowing about the microtransactions, they clearly don’t matter to the gameplay.
ClaidheamhThe review copies had no microtransactions. They were added at release.
That’s my point. Reviewers gave it great scores when there weren’t any microtransactions and they haven’t changed anything in the game to make those microtransactions important. You can play the game the exact same way the reviewers did by just ignoring them.
You misunderstand, the mtx were essentially unlocked in the reviewers versions, not simply missing features.