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#FediPact

yes this is a repost from the old account lol

It's quite worrying how some people are dazzled by power and money, to the point where they turn a blind eye to really awful stuff 😞

@FediPact I'd argue that most instances end up excusing a ton of really terrible things if the instance is large enough. For example, mastodon.social has a lot of awfulness going on and is still poorly moderated. That doesn't in-practice lead to many defederations however.

That being said, I think going after Threads and other corpo-run instances is more important anyways because unlike .social, Facebook actively profits from such behavior and thus there's little to no motivation to do anything about it on their end.

FediThing

@ch0ccyra1n @FediPact

Also, mastodon.social hasn't been cited in multiple reports on human rights violations, genocide etc.

It should be a no-brainer to block threads.net

@FediThing @FediPact that's true, and certainly a good reason to focus on Threads instead. I just think there's a double standard in how many fediverse instances moderate against big vs small instances, and as the admin of a small instance myself it's quite disheartening although I understand why that's the case and I'm not inmune from it either.

FediThing

@ch0ccyra1n @FediPact

I agree, there is more pressure on admins to federate with larger servers if that's where people want to connect to.

That's another reason to avoid large servers, because they put admins under pressure to allow bad stuff.

@FediThing @FediPact I suppose a band-aid fix (and what I've done for many large instances) is basically playing a game of whack-a-mole trying to suspend individual users of them who are particularly nasty, such as LALegault, an especially vocal antisemite and transmisogynist on newsie. Unfortunately there's also quite a few decent accounts on that instance so I'm left scrambling to suspend individual users like her.

@FediThing @FediPact the exception of course is Threads as per the wishes of the users on my instance and our signature of the FediPact

FediThing

@ch0ccyra1n @FediPact

Yeah, it's not fair to force small instance mods to do the work that large instance mods cannot cope with. Seems very irresponsible of massive instances to build themselves up beyond their ability to moderate their own members.

It's so much better to block problematic accounts at source, avoids duplication of blocks elsewhere.

Maxi 12x 💉Mar 20, 2024

@FediPact You should write Threads with capital T, else it’s really confusing.

@frumble @FediPact threads (facebook) is singular and doesn't use the article "the", the only part i could see being confusing is the first sentence... if you stop reading halfway thru and don't get to the "any other fedi instance" part

https://cyberpunk.lol/@FediPact/112135168079993716

@lunarna C'mon, it’s super confusing, especially for non-hardcore fedi readers who don’t instantly know what all this is about. Bad for boosting to new audiences. Just write product names with capitals.
Instead, @FediPact even alters article quotes to be in an all-lowercase style, why?

fedipact.online (@[email protected])

# ⚠️ threads’ fediverse beta opens to share your posts on mastodon, too ⚠️ > "threads is rolling out a beta of its fediverse integration in the us, canada, and japan. in a post on thursday, meta ceo mark zuckerberg announced that toggling on the feature will let you cross-post and view likes from other federated platforms, like mastodon." https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/21/24107881/threads-fediverse-beta-launch-mastodon #FediPact #meta #threads #FediForum

cyberpunk.lol

@frumble @FediPact but this post isn't meant for new audiences, so capitalization doesn't provide any extra context! You wouldn't be able to infer which of the many types of proper noun "threads" is supposed to be if you can't infer it's a product already

@frumble re: altering article quotes, I am sympathetic to the all lowercase style because it is one of the few semi-acceptable spelling reforms of our time.
The development of capitalization norms after the printing press wasn't meant to serve a purpose, it was arbitrary and differed per language (both threads are uppercase in german).
Our languages can handle the distinction between different types of nouns fine because they are primarily spoken so they developed ways to differentiate them as seen in the first sentence of my first reply

https://german.stackexchange.com/questions/1704/gro%C3%9Fschreibung-von-hauptw%C3%B6rtern-und-schnelles-lesen

@lunarna »Die Untersuchungen brachten überraschende Ergebnisse: Auch für die niederländischen Versuchspersonen stellten die Regeln der deutschen Großschreibung eine Hilfestellung dar, die den Leseprozess beschleunigten. Sie konnten Texte in ihrer eigenen Muttersprache (!) mit den fremden satzinternen Großbuchstaben ohne Verständnisprobleme schneller lesen als solche mit der ihnen vertrauten gemäßigten Kleinschreibung.«

Außerdem gebräuchlich seit dem Althochdeutschen.

Großschreibung von Hauptwörtern und schnelles Lesen

Es gibt Studien, dass deutsche Leser einen Text langsamer lesen, wenn alles kleingeschrieben wird. Das könnte aber auch an der Gewohnheit liegen. Ich erinnere mich, gehört zu haben, dass es eine ...

German Language Stack Exchange

https://escholarship.org/content/qt3dr387w1/qt3dr387w1.pdf?t=os6jdw

@frumble Sure, the german model of capitalization *may* provide a slight conditional benefit to grammatical pre-processing in a few germanic languages (whether an increase of 1 to 10 words per minute is worth the effort is up to the writer). It is still a side effect of an arbitrary development and doesn't carry semantic meaning.
But english structures verbs and nouns differently, this study tested the german model vs all lowercase, and found no alteration of capitalization affected reading speed:

so the optimal way to write english is indeed in all lowercase!

@lunarna Diese Doktorarbeit hat sich mit der semantischen Bedeutung von Großschreibung befasst: https://derzwiebel.wordpress.com/2021/09/28/faktoren-fur-die-grosschreibung-im-16-und-17-jahrhundert-eine-untersuchung-von-hexenverhorprotokollen/

Deine Wertung als "arbiträre Entwicklung" find ich eigenartig, so ziemlich alle Sprachentwicklung ist willkürlich und folgt Pfadabhängigkeiten.

Diese akademische Debatte ist hier reine Selbstbeschäftigung: Wenn jemand von "threads" schreibt, ist mir immer erstmal unklar, ob das Meta-Produkt gemeint ist, oder irgendwelche Fedi-Threads im Plural. Es wäre vermeidbar.

Wie hat sich Großschreibung im Deutschen entwickelt? – Eine Untersuchung von Hexenverhörprotokollen

Heute schreiben wir im Deutschen alle Nomen groß, auch im Satzinnern. Das war aber nicht immer so, dieses System hat sich im Laufe von Jahrhunderten entwickelt. Lange Zeit wurde einfach alles mit K…

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@lunarna Okay, read on your website that you aren’t German, sorry for my confident language switching.

Lindsey 🐲Apr 28, 2024

@lunarna
I think it could be solved by calling it something like "facebook's threads" which would be better understood even by people who don't know what threads is (as I think a capital T would still leave people who don't know about it potentially confused, whereas adding facebook gives the knowledge it's a facebook thing)
@frumble @FediPact

Mystery Babylon

Mar 21, 2024

@FediPact Some people get dazzled by their chance at fame, whatever that means to them. Facebook's had near 20 years to perfect the art of dangling that chance.

I genuinely hope enough folks can slow down and see what a goof this would be.

Fluffy Kitty Cat Mar 23, 2024

@FediPact agreed. their whole business model requires creating a captive audience and then squeezing them. that's fundamentally incompatible with federation, so much so they censor any mention of us because if people realize they have options the whole business of running online communities dissapears which is a good thing since it shouldn't be a busniess

Kevin Karhan