#FediPact Mar 20, 2024

i think the most annoying thing about this whole discourse is that people refuse to judge threads by the standard of any other fedi instance

like if a mastodon instance got set up and federated right now and it allowed the shit threads allowed it'd be widely defederated IMMEDIATELY

there are accounts literally CALLING FOR THE DEATHS OF QUEER PEOPLE on there right fucking now

the only reason people are even willing to give them a chance is because it's a big corpo, but that should only be reason to give them less of one lmao. especially considering meta's history in particular

don't let them lower the bar for moderation standards here

#FediPact #meta #threads #FediForum

Show threadMaxi 12x 💉
@FediPact You should write Threads with capital T, else it’s really confusing.
Mar 20, 2024 at 11:00pmWeb
Show threadluna Mar 23, 2024
@frumble @FediPact threads (facebook) is singular and doesn't use the article "the", the only part i could see being confusing is the first sentence... if you stop reading halfway thru and don't get to the "any other fedi instance" part
Show threadMaxi 12x 💉Mar 23, 2024

@lunarna C'mon, it’s super confusing, especially for non-hardcore fedi readers who don’t instantly know what all this is about. Bad for boosting to new audiences. Just write product names with capitals.
Instead, @FediPact even alters article quotes to be in an all-lowercase style, why?

https://cyberpunk.lol/@FediPact/112135168079993716

fedipact.online (@[email protected])

# ⚠️ threads’ fediverse beta opens to share your posts on mastodon, too ⚠️ > "threads is rolling out a beta of its fediverse integration in the us, canada, and japan. in a post on thursday, meta ceo mark zuckerberg announced that toggling on the feature will let you cross-post and view likes from other federated platforms, like mastodon." https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/21/24107881/threads-fediverse-beta-launch-mastodon #FediPact #meta #threads #FediForum

cyberpunk.lol
Show threadluna Mar 23, 2024
@frumble @FediPact but this post isn't meant for new audiences, so capitalization doesn't provide any extra context! You wouldn't be able to infer which of the many types of proper noun "threads" is supposed to be if you can't infer it's a product already
Show threadluna Mar 23, 2024
@frumble re: altering article quotes, I am sympathetic to the all lowercase style because it is one of the few semi-acceptable spelling reforms of our time.
The development of capitalization norms after the printing press wasn't meant to serve a purpose, it was arbitrary and differed per language (both threads are uppercase in german).
Our languages can handle the distinction between different types of nouns fine because they are primarily spoken so they developed ways to differentiate them as seen in the first sentence of my first reply
Show threadMaxi 12x 💉Mar 23, 2024

@lunarna »Die Untersuchungen brachten überraschende Ergebnisse: Auch für die niederländischen Versuchspersonen stellten die Regeln der deutschen Großschreibung eine Hilfestellung dar, die den Leseprozess beschleunigten. Sie konnten Texte in ihrer eigenen Muttersprache (!) mit den fremden satzinternen Großbuchstaben ohne Verständnisprobleme schneller lesen als solche mit der ihnen vertrauten gemäßigten Kleinschreibung.«

https://german.stackexchange.com/questions/1704/gro%C3%9Fschreibung-von-hauptw%C3%B6rtern-und-schnelles-lesen

Außerdem gebräuchlich seit dem Althochdeutschen.

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Show threadluna Mar 23, 2024

@frumble Sure, the german model of capitalization *may* provide a slight conditional benefit to grammatical pre-processing in a few germanic languages (whether an increase of 1 to 10 words per minute is worth the effort is up to the writer). It is still a side effect of an arbitrary development and doesn't carry semantic meaning.
But english structures verbs and nouns differently, this study tested the german model vs all lowercase, and found no alteration of capitalization affected reading speed:

https://escholarship.org/content/qt3dr387w1/qt3dr387w1.pdf?t=os6jdw

so the optimal way to write english is indeed in all lowercase!

Show threadMaxi 12x 💉Mar 23, 2024

@lunarna Diese Doktorarbeit hat sich mit der semantischen Bedeutung von Großschreibung befasst: https://derzwiebel.wordpress.com/2021/09/28/faktoren-fur-die-grosschreibung-im-16-und-17-jahrhundert-eine-untersuchung-von-hexenverhorprotokollen/

Deine Wertung als "arbiträre Entwicklung" find ich eigenartig, so ziemlich alle Sprachentwicklung ist willkürlich und folgt Pfadabhängigkeiten.

Diese akademische Debatte ist hier reine Selbstbeschäftigung: Wenn jemand von "threads" schreibt, ist mir immer erstmal unklar, ob das Meta-Produkt gemeint ist, oder irgendwelche Fedi-Threads im Plural. Es wäre vermeidbar.

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Show threadMaxi 12x 💉Mar 23, 2024
@lunarna Okay, read on your website that you aren’t German, sorry for my confident language switching.
Show threadLindsey 🐲Apr 28, 2024
@lunarna
I think it could be solved by calling it something like "facebook's threads" which would be better understood even by people who don't know what threads is (as I think a capital T would still leave people who don't know about it potentially confused, whereas adding facebook gives the knowledge it's a facebook thing)
@frumble @FediPact